big_palooka Posted Tuesday at 10:32 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:32 AM 8 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: QB: I had said numerous times that if JJ hit the 10th pick that would have been our chance to move up for a potential franchise QB and not have to mortgage the future. I believe we could have moved to 10 by offering 13 our 3rd this year and 3rd/4th next year but we didn't even try and that bothers me. What part of they were not going to outbid Minnesota do you not comprehend. It was the worst kept secret in the draft that Minnesota coveted him. They had a higher first round pick and another first round pick to make sure they landed him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted Tuesday at 11:27 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:27 AM On 9/15/2024 at 6:26 PM, Frankie2Gunz said: Funny how? I don't recall anyone saying Bowers is a bad player/prospect rather he needs to consistently produce to provide value as a top 15 pick. Bowers had a good game today and let's hope he can consistently produce at a high level for many years which will ultimately help us win games. So much for all the two TE nonsense talk on here. Mayer is a backup and producing like one. If this team wants to improve long term we can not keep having players taken within the 1st three rounds bring back terrible value. The only nonsense was you bashing the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted Tuesday at 11:33 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:33 AM On 9/15/2024 at 8:48 PM, Frankie2Gunz said: Why does he have to produce? Is that what you're asking? He has to produce because he is a top 15 pick being paid millions of dollars to do so. I'm sure you're not advocating for below average production as I know you're a better poster than that so I am not sure what you're really saying. Who cares about Odunze? Odunze is playing with an MCL injury tonight and is typically 4th in the pecking order (Moore, Allen, Swift) on an anemic Bears O. He has nothing to do with Bowers and the fact we have two 1st/2nd round TE's on a roster with many holes to fill. Are you still in the 2 TE being used like Gronk/ Hernandez camp because after two games it appears that "baby Gronk" is now just a backup. Mayer appears to be another wasted 1st/2nd rounder on a roster with a ton of holes to fill. So if Mayer isn’t producing up to standards, wasn’t it smart to take a TE who can help win? You also were talking about taking a CB with the pick(couldn’t name one of course) yet Bennett looks like one of the most improved players on the roster, because you know, players develop. Also, with Bowers putting the league on notice guys like Mayer will be able to take advantage of mismatches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted Tuesday at 11:35 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:35 AM On 9/15/2024 at 9:27 PM, Frankie2Gunz said: Teams take players at every position in the 1st round that bust so what? Bowers is a top talent at a position that historically does not produce at a high level on a team that didn't have a hole at TE (baby Gronk) according to most fans but had massive holes in other key positions (QB, OT, CB, Edge). When the Falcons took Pitts, another "generational" TE talent, they had a glaring hole at the position. The problem is the Falcons QB's have never been able to get him the ball and there are many QB's in the NFL who think it's too risky to continuously throw over the middle, in all of that traffic, risking a turnover, hence the historical lack of production from TE's even the "generational" talents like Pitts and V. Davis. Hopefully our next QB is a young stud like Mahomes who likes to use the TE. I am not sure where that leaves Mayer because if he continues to produce at this clip he will join a long list of 1st/2nd round busts for this franchise. Don’t take a generational talent because others have failed. Got it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted Tuesday at 11:36 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:36 AM On 9/15/2024 at 9:33 PM, SimonGruber said: Somebody compared Mayer to Gronk ? No way lol People said two TE offenses can be effective and dudes doing what he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted Tuesday at 11:48 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:48 AM 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: What part of they were not going to outbid Minnesota do you not comprehend. It was the worst kept secret in the draft that Minnesota coveted him. They had a higher first round pick and another first round pick to make sure they landed him. Who do you think you are coming in here with your facts? 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodisrespect Posted Tuesday at 12:35 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:35 PM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersForever Posted Tuesday at 01:24 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:24 PM 19 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: whatcha gonna do when Minshew Mania runs wild on you!!!!! Dude looks like a young Jon Voight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted Tuesday at 01:51 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:51 PM As someone who ripped into Gardner for about 6.5 quarters..: I can’t wait to see what a little momentum could do for the guy. 9/9 for 99 yards when targeting bowers is wild, let’s build that chemistry Maxxs leadership could’ve saved the season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted Tuesday at 02:10 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:10 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, big_palooka said: What part of they were not going to outbid Minnesota do you not comprehend. It was the worst kept secret in the draft that Minnesota coveted him. They had a higher first round pick and another first round pick to make sure they landed him. That is pure speculation and it's a fact that we didn't even try. Are you telling me that if we threw 4 first rounders at the Jets the Vikings would have outbid us? Hahaha Obviously that would be illogical and foolish to do but I am using this an example of how idiotic your stance is. The Vikings gave up two 4th's to move up for JJ. Your point would make a bit of sense if they had they moved up 5+ spots for him and gave up multiple high end picks but they didn't. They could have been outbid and we didn't even give it a shot. Edited Tuesday at 02:27 PM by Frankie2Gunz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted Tuesday at 02:20 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:20 PM 2 hours ago, Geezy said: Who do you think you are coming in here with your facts? 😂 Another poster who doesn't know what the word fact means. Back to 1st grade for you LOL A fact is we never tried to move up. A fact is Min. moved up one spot and gave up two 4th's to do so. Those are facts. Now to speculation... Would us trading 4 1sts to move up to 10 for JJ have sealed the deal? I would venture to say yes and the Vikings wouldn't have outbid us. Would that have been completely foolish, yes but I am using it to prove a point. Just like the Million Dollar Man used to say, "everyone has got a price". I can't believe that I am wasting my time on here with people who think speculation is fact It is truly remarkable.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted Tuesday at 02:32 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:32 PM 10 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Another poster who doesn't know what the word fact means. Back to 1st grade for you LOL A fact is we never tried to move up. A fact is Min. moved up one spot and gave up two 4th's to do so. Those are facts. Now to speculation... Would us trading 4 1sts to move up to 10 for JJ have sealed the deal? I would venture to say yes and the Vikings wouldn't have outbid us. Would that have been completely foolish, yes but I am using it to prove a point. Just like the Million Dollar Man used to say, "everyone has got a price". I can't believe that I am wasting my time on here with people who think speculation is fact It is truly remarkable.... Fact is, we would never have offered 4 firsts, so wtf are you even talking about. Sound foolish trying to prove a point. Fact is you’ve admitted not having any meaningful knowledge on college prospects yet yap in here about who we should and shouldn’t take lmao 🤡 just quit while you’re behind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted Tuesday at 02:35 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:35 PM Just now, Geezy said: Fact is, we would never have offered 4 firsts, so wtf are you even talking about. Sound foolish trying to prove a point. Fact is you’ve admitted not having any meaningful knowledge on college prospects yet yap in here about who we should and shouldn’t take lmao 🤡 just quit while you’re behind. Quite wasting my time considering you have no clue what a fact is. Nothing more needs to be said that that. We are talking 1st grade stuff here.... Unbelievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted Tuesday at 02:58 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:58 PM 2 hours ago, Nodisrespect said: Love it man hell yea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonGruber Posted Tuesday at 03:26 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:26 PM 3 hours ago, Geezy said: People said two TE offenses can be effective and dudes doing what he does. Definitely possible atleast one should be chess piece TE a Hernandez, Bowers Jordan Reed type. When Evan Engram was a free agent I wanted to pair him with Waller run blocking being ignored obviously lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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