JetsandI Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, barnaby8787 said: Mayfield had one of the highest adjusted completion percentages in college football history. That's a BOLD statement. Adjusted completion pct excuses the most important thing that would happen in NFL. Batting down at LOS since he is a short qb. Also, it doesn't erase all bad throws that are amazingly caught by receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, barnaby8787 said: Mayfield had one of the highest adjusted completion percentages in college football history. That's a BOLD statement. That’s a stat. So based on that he’s the best College QB ever? Based on college stats Colt Brennan, BJ Symons and Case Keenum should be the best NFL QBs ever. Theres a big difference. Especially in the Big 12. Every Wab puts up monster stats every year. Completion %, yards, TDs everything. I think his stats a bold personality is what have people infatuated with him, rather than actually looking at his game transferring to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, JetsandI said: Adjusted completion pct excuses the most important thing that would happen in NFL. Batting down at LOS since he is a short qb. Also, it doesn't erase all bad throws that are amazingly caught by receivers. Also isn’t taking into consideration how wide open receivers were he threw to the majority of the time. That will happen nearly none of the time in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, JetsandI said: Adjusted completion pct excuses the most important thing that would happen in NFL. Batting down at LOS since he is a short qb. Also, it doesn't erase all bad throws that are amazingly caught by receivers. That's fair, but if you want to take in account just completions and drops, he's over 75%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: That’s a stat. So based on that he’s the best College QB ever? Based on college stats Colt Brennan, BJ Symons and Case Keenum should be the best NFL QBs ever. Theres a big difference. Especially in the Big 12. Every Wab puts up monster stats every year. Completion %, yards, TDs everything. I think his stats a bold personality is what have people infatuated with him, rather than actually looking at his game transferring to the NFL. No, but that's an insane statement for a guy who's adjusted completion percentage was still one of the worst in college football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: Also isn’t taking into consideration how wide open receivers were he threw to the majority of the time. That will happen nearly none of the time in the NFL. Ok, so you wouldn't have drafted Mariota then, either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, JetsandI said: Adjusted completion pct excuses the most important thing that would happen in NFL. Batting down at LOS since he is a short qb. Also, it doesn't erase all bad throws that are amazingly caught by receivers. Also, he only had 2 batted balls this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Let's not draft QBs unless they're 6'4" and played in the SEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Couple things that have come up that play into how the Jets FO is thinking or not thinking. Rosen: One of the negatives against him is that he is outspoken (particularly about politics). This may be a no-no to some NFL teams Chris Johnson on outspoken NFL players: ""I can't speak to how other people run their teams," Johnson said at the Ritz-Carlton hotel on Sunday, "but I just think that trying to forcibly get the players to shut up is a fantastically bad idea." Sounds like the Jets are a team that won't be bothered by Rosen's perceived off the field issues. Mayfield: One of the negatives against Mayfield is that he is cocky and has had some on the field antics. Some may not see him as a leader. A second negative is height. Bowles on height: Russell Wilson will argue that,” Bowles said. “As well as Fran Tarkenton. As well as quite a few other guys. So you don’t know. If you can play, you can play.” Bowles on Baker's antics: It’s college football,” Bowles said. “He’s an emotional guy. I’ve seen [Terrell Owens] do a lot of things. I’ve seen worse than that.“Players get excited when they play. That’s kind of the way they are.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBS756 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dr.O said: Let's not draft QBs unless they're 6'4" and played in the SEC Jamarcus Russell ? Chad Kelly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, KBS756 said: Jamarcus Russell ? Chad Kelly? Was being sarcastic for the point that Bobby keeps bringing up about Baker playing in the Big12 Conference yet the best conference in College football hasn't produced a good QB since Eli Manning. Talent transcends everything, conference/team/division and Baker has that. edit: forgot about Cam and Stafford but still doesn't change my stance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 So just some facts here: -Mayfield had 1.1% of his passes batted down; Allen had 1.7% (height is clearly a concern with Baker here) -Allen's adjusted completion percentage is around 61%, Baker's is over 78% -Dropped passes: Allen was at 7.84%, Baker at 9.49% (but Allen's surrounding talent is terrible) -Completion percentage for passes that were deemed catchable: Mayfield at 84.1%, Allen at 70.8% which is near the bottom of all QB's; Baker leads this category for the 4th quarter as well while Allen is near the bottom again. Should I get into deep ball accuracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwhich2 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I don't like either of their deep balls. Watching Mayfield though he almost always has a clean pocket initially. His scrambling always comes after he holds the ball for a long time. Both can be accurate. Mayfield has proven it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, barnaby8787 said: So just some facts here: -Mayfield had 1.1% of his passes batted down; Allen had 1.7% (height is clearly a concern with Baker here) -Allen's adjusted completion percentage is around 61%, Baker's is over 78% -Dropped passes: Allen was at 7.84%, Baker at 9.49% (but Allen's surrounding talent is terrible) -Completion percentage for passes that were deemed catchable: Mayfield at 84.1%, Allen at 70.8% which is near the bottom of all QB's; Baker leads this category for the 4th quarter as well while Allen is near the bottom again. Should I get into deep ball accuracy? And my biggest argument against Mayfield’s completion percentage is how wide open his guys were so often. You pro Mayfield guys keep throwing the adjusted % out there. Which doesn’t take at all into consideration how easy most of his throws were. And that has a lot to do with the offense he played in and he can’t control that. But it’s not a viable stat that transfers over to the NFL. You put a lot of 1st around talent QBs on that OU team and they play similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Bobby816 said: And my biggest argument against Mayfield’s completion percentage is how wide open his guys were so often. You pro Mayfield guys keep throwing the adjusted % out there. Which doesn’t take at all into consideration how easy most of his throws were. And that has a lot to do with the offense he played in and he can’t control that. But it’s not a viable stat that transfers over to the NFL. You put a lot of 1st around talent QBs on that OU team and they play similar. It's college even Darnold and Rosen threw to guys that were WIDE open that's just the nature of college football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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