Dr LBC Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Jon could've told Dany before going to the crypt at night fall though. God awful timing, tbqh. Engh. Given Dany's personality it's an excellent strat to be honest. She's so gd stubborn about being the one get the last word that you drop something like that on her right before a big fight and she's going to make damn sure both of you see out the fight if for no other reason that so she can fight with you afterwards. This is Jon playing 3D Chess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just now, The LBC said: Engh. Given Dany's personality it's an excellent strat to be honest. She's so gd stubborn about being the one get the last word that you drop something like that on her right before a big fight and she's going to make damn sure both of you see out the fight if for no other reason that so she can fight with you afterwards. This is Jon playing 3D Chess. Jon: Kills the NK, reverses death on Viseryion, saves the entire Kingdom Dany: SO ABOUT WHAT YOU TOLD ME IN THE CRYPT..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: What? Yeah it was, I thought that was all in the first couple of episodes? Viserys wasn't empowering her directly, but by belittling her and then showing how weak he was, it empowered her + she figured some stuff out on her own. He's mocking me because I said Viserys always talked about Targaryan history to Dany and their birth rights as Targaryans and he took that as Viserys somehow helping her with their family history. Viserys viewed Dany much in the same way Cersei viewed Tyrion, as usable and expendable. By talking about what's owed to them, he didn't mean Dany directly but in part because early on he believed he would still marry her and he would inherit everything. But it all rubbed off on her. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Calvert28 said: He's mocking me because I said Viserys always talked about Targaryan history to Dany and their birth rights as Targaryans and he took that as Viserys somehow helping her with their family history. Viserys viewed Dany much in the same way Cersei viewed Tyrion, as usable and expendable. By talking about what's owed to them, he didn't mean Dany directly but in part because early on he believed he would still marry her and he would inherit everything. But it all rubbed off on her. Oh yeah, I agree. He'd talk about how great their family was and how they were the true heirs but then would be like "but tbh I'd sell you to anyone if it allowed me to be king". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnygsm Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I'll take Jamie holding Brienne as she dies for 10 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, skywindO2 said: Can't see Jaime dying next episode at all. He's going to be around for whatever resolution happens with Cersei. One of that Lannister boys has to be. But Tyrion dropping the news that Jamie is actually dead and died defending Winterfell because she didn't send her men is also some due-comeuppance that Cersei could face. Jamie constantly sacrificed for Cersei (didn't take a wife, refused his title at the Rock, etc.) over and over again until she went all Bloody Mary and made it clear that she was all about her now that her children were dead. He's legitimately the only thing that could evoke grief and remorse from her at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnygsm Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 So does anyone think that they're just going to leave a bunch of things unanswered? For example, I don't see them addressing things like the Lord of light, Bran the builder etc. At this point, I'm becoming skeptical they'll add anything more to the NK's character. If his motivation to find Bran is just to wipe out the history of humanity, that would be pretty lame IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PARROTHEAD Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, skywindO2 said: Can't see Jaime dying next episode at all. He's going to be around for whatever resolution happens with Cersei. I can see the entire left flank going down with Pod Brienne and Jaime in true dramatic fashion. "Cool Hand Luke'in" Jaime instead of Generic Hollywood'ing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, sunnygsm said: I'll take Jamie holding Brienne as she dies for 10 points. Same tbh except I could see it happening either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, The LBC said: One of that Lannister boys has to be. But Tyrion dropping the news that Jamie is actually dead and died defending Winterfell because she didn't send her men is also some due-comeuppance that Cersei could face. Jamie constantly sacrificed for Cersei (didn't take a wife, refused his title at the Rock, etc.) over and over again until she went all Bloody Mary and made it clear that she was all about her now that her children were dead. He's legitimately the only thing that could evoke grief and remorse from her at this point. If one of them has to die. I think it might be Tyrion and Bronn with Bronn telling both what Cersei had planned for them. Tyrion will die and Bronn defending him and Jamie will go down south to finish off Cersei. I agree with w/e poster said that I think this battle will be a loss for them and they will flee south. H/e I think it will be the neck where everything goes down. I get the feeling the Golden Company will march north with Cersei and the entire series ends there for the last 6 episodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 59 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: I'm not saying there's zero, but I swear to god the internet calls anything short of "the show didn't rip my heart out and then have Ramsey pop out of the screen, cut my **** off, and make me eat it" fan service. When Davos meets Gendry and says "I thought you'd still be rowing" after years of memes about that? That's fan service. Most of what happened in this episode wasn't that. Brienne vouching for Jamie wasn't and neither was Jamie knighting her or saying it'd be an honor to fight alongside her; Jamie's arc has been about redeeming himself from The Kingslayer while Brienne has always wanted to be a knight. That's just a natural conclusion for a lot of their stories. Sansa and Theon reuniting wasn't, they survived Ramsey and grew up as brothers before Theon betrayed them. It shouldn't be a surprise that was emotional and they were close. Even Arya/Gendry wasn't really fan service as much as people have said they'll end up together; they always had chemistry that's why people wanted it. All the stuff with Brienne I thought fit the story and wasn't fan service. Every bit of her story was earned. Things I thought were: Scarred girl to remind Davos of Shireen Essentially every scene with Tormund, but especially the giants milk story/chugging Arya and Gendry *(I could see a possibility of this being relevant, but i'm not counting on it in the show version of the story) Lyanna Mormont getting more than a few seconds of screen time at this point Grey Worm / Missendai "after" plans (100% they both die), this is Hollywood writing, not GRRM writing. That's about it I think. Jaime and Tyrion drifted towards it with the how Tyrion thought he would die and subsequent dialogue, but they got away from what could have been a cringeworthy conversation that added nothing and got back on track. My highlights of the episode: Brienne vouching for Jamie, and that being enough for Sansa and Jon, Jamie asking to serve her battalion, and Jamie knighting Brienne Bran and Jamie interaction Jon and Dany ending dialogue (and her reacting exactly pretty much how we expected) Sansa and Theon Sam giving Jorah Heartsbane and telling him how much his father meant to him was especially poignant considering the father Sam had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, The LBC said: One of that Lannister boys has to be. But Tyrion dropping the news that Jamie is actually dead and died defending Winterfell because she didn't send her men is also some due-comeuppance that Cersei could face. Jamie constantly sacrificed for Cersei (didn't take a wife, refused his title at the Rock, etc.) over and over again until she went all Bloody Mary and made it clear that she was all about her now that her children were dead. He's legitimately the only thing that could evoke grief and remorse from her at this point. These are my thoughts as well. He's really all she has left ATM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PARROTHEAD Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 minute ago, sunnygsm said: So does anyone think that they're just going to leave a bunch of things unanswered? For example, I don't see them addressing things like the Lord of light, Bran the builder etc. At this point, I'm becoming skeptical they'll add anything more to the NK's character. If his motivation to find Bran is just to wipe out the history of humanity, that would be pretty lame IMO. More lame than, "Hey lets lure him away from the safety of his 100k troops using bait."? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnygsm Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 minute ago, PARROTHEAD said: More lame than, "Hey lets lure him away from the safety of his 100k troops using bait."? Battle strategy has never been particularly strong in shows/films. I'd just be disappointed if that was all we got after all the lore buildup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: If one of them has to die. I think it might be Tyrion and Bronn with Bronn telling both what Cersei had planned for them. Tyrion will die and Bronn defending him and Jamie will go down south to finish off Cersei. I agree with w/e poster said that I think this battle will be a loss for them and they will flee south. H/e I think it will be the neck where everything goes down. I get the feeling the Golden Company will march north with Cersei and the entire series ends there for the last 6 episodes. Just a thought (and one I don't particularly like, but it could represent things coming full-circle only to go a completely different direction on this particular branch from the one of the past), and I don't think they could get that far south fleeing the NK's army but what if the final showdown between Jon and the NK happens in the Trident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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