AlexGreen#20 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Patriotplayer90 said: Look at our W/L record when Rodgers was out, yet the superior Bahk and Clark were playing.... I know, I know. Hundley was hitting all of the throws in practice and in pre-season, but then....a big 'ole witch come out and cast a voody spell on him!! The receivers was open, he just couldn't throws no balls no more! This is your theory, so here is an alternative theory.. McCarthy has a scheme which is very easy to defend, and also increases the opportunities for defenses to make plays on the ball. It takes a QB with incredible anticipation and precision to not only exceed in these conditions consistently, but to excel. Which is why the offense becomes a TO machine without Rodgers. Rodgers has a QB rating of 100 and only 2 TOs in our 3 losses/ties, while the defense is giving up over 30 PPG. If you aren't going to go for the low hanging fruit which is the defense, find someone else to blame. Bahk and Clark have one job to do. Rodgers has to execute an offense which looks like utter garbage without him , while the defense is giving up 30 points. The issues go far beyond him holding the ball too long or missing a couple of throws. Look at the drive killers. Last week there were 6. The MVS out route, which was both MVS and Rodgers, which I'll attribute to a lack of reps. The Montgomery screen pass drop A redzone set where nobody was open. A bad throw from Rodgers. 2 bad reads from Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Look at the drive killers. Last week there were 6. The MVS out route, which was both MVS and Rodgers, which I'll attribute to a lack of reps. The Montgomery screen pass drop A redzone set where nobody was open. A bad throw from Rodgers. 2 bad reads from Rodgers. As I said, you are nitpicking. You have to look at the overall performance, not just a few plays. If you nitpick a few of his plays, you'll have to do the same for every player on the team. 100 QB rating on a bum knee, he is not the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Patriotplayer90 said: You have to look at the overall performance, not just a few plays. 100 QB rating on a bum knee, he is not the problem 100 QB rating ranks him 11th in the NFL. This is not 1999, it is 2018 where the AVERAGE QB rating is 95. The bum knee is not an excuse. The offense has been designed to incorporate that fact with players open underneath. He is eschewing those options repeatedly. It's not "just a few plays" that he isn't throwing to the open receiver. He is the fourth least aggressive QB in the league. He is taking the sixth longest time to throw. On that bum knee. He has been sacked 5th most often in the NFL. If you can't put that all together, you're missing the entire point. You keep telling us to look at the overall performance, and yet you ignore his overall ranking in his performance. So tell us, what's the point in having a conversation with you when literally every factual account of Aaron's performance shows he is not performing at a high level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, Patriotplayer90 said: As I said, you are nitpicking. You have to look at the overall performance, not just a few plays. If you nitpick a few of his plays, you'll have to do the same for every player on the team. 100 QB rating on a bum knee, he is not the problem 100 QB rating isn't remarkable. It's in the middle third of starters. Those aren't nit picks. That's what happened. Those are the plays responsible for us not scoring on those drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: 100 QB rating ranks him 11th in the NFL. This is not 1999, it is 2018 where the AVERAGE QB rating is 95. The bum knee is not an excuse. The offense has been designed to incorporate that fact with players open underneath. He is eschewing those options repeatedly. It's not "just a few plays" that he isn't throwing to the open receiver. He is the fourth least aggressive QB in the league. He is taking the sixth longest time to throw. On that bum knee. He has been sacked 5th most often in the NFL. If you can't put that all together, you're missing the entire point. You keep telling us to look at the overall performance, and yet you ignore his overall ranking in his performance. So tell us, what's the point in having a conversation with you when literally every factual account of Aaron's performance shows he is not performing at a high level? Want Rodgers' QB rating to go up? Get him a better coach, one who can succeed withouta QB who has the best skill set of any in the history of the league. Look at the QBs with higher QB ratings: Drew Brees - Has possibly the best offensive coach in the league Jared Goff- also a contender for best offensive coach in the league, and much better supporting cast than Rodgers Chargers- Better skill players all the way around. Allen better than any GB receiver, actually spent top picks on talented offensive skill players in Gordon and Williams Chiefs- Superior coaching and skill players, no contest Falcon- Julio Jones, Ridley, and a running game. Again, no contest Buccaneers- Mike Evans, DeSean Jackson... Vikings- much better receivers. Bears- Much better coaching. QB looked terrible with a bad coordinator like Rodgers has Seahawks- Reasonable comparison. But QB rating is virtually identical, and Rodgers can't run right now. This is why we all want to see Rodgers with a better coaching, since it is much easier to produce now with a good OC. His backups have a 79 QB rating under the guidance if McCarthy, which is bottom of the barrel and terms for getting canned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Patriotplayer90 said: Want Rodgers' QB rating to go up? Get him a better coach, one who can succeed withouta QB who has the best skill set of any in the history of the league. Look at the QBs with higher QB ratings: Drew Brees - Has possibly the best offensive coach in the league Jared Goff- also a contender for best offensive coach in the league, and much better supporting cast than Rodgers Chargers- Better skill players all the way around. Allen better than any GB receiver, actually spent top picks on talented offensive skill players in Gordon and Williams Chiefs- Superior coaching and skill players, no contest Falcon- Julio Jones, Ridley, and a running game. Again, no contest Buccaneers- Mike Evans, DeSean Jackson... Vikings- much better receivers. Bears- Much better coaching. QB looked terrible with a bad coordinator like Rodgers has Seahawks- Reasonable comparison. But QB rating is virtually identical, and Rodgers can't run right now. This is why we all want to see Rodgers with a better coaching, since it is much easier to produce now with a good OC. His backups have a 79 QB rating under the guidance if McCarthy, which is bottom of the barrel and terms for getting canned. This is ridiculous. Rodgers playing poorly can't be blamed on the coaching staff when there was an open receiver on 5 of the 6 drive killers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: This is ridiculous. Rodgers playing poorly can't be blamed on the coaching staff when there was an open receiver on 5 of the 6 drive killers. The coaching staff has proven several times that they are completely incompetent when Rodgers has been removed from the equation. So they suddenly become good when Rodgers is back, he's just not executing? Great theory.. Here's a thought- if no QB can execute your system, especially the most skilled in the league- then maybe the problem is the system.... Edited October 14, 2018 by Patriotplayer90 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Patriotplayer90 said: The coaching staff has proven several times that they are completely incompetent when Rodgers has been removed from the equation. So they suddenly become good when Rodgers is back, he's just not executing? Great theory.. Here's a thought- if no QB can execute your system, especially the most skilled in the league- then maybe the problem is the system.... Flynn ran the system just fine in 2010, 2011, and 2013. Hundley had a poor year in his first year starting and the staff made the decision it wasn't working so they moved on. Bad schemes or bad players? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Flynn ran the system just fine in 2010, 2011, and 2013. Hundley had a poor year in his first year starting and the staff made the decision it wasn't working so they moved on. Bad schemes or bad players? You "What have you done for me lately" people sure like to ignore the most recent examples which are applicable to this discussion. How many coaching changes have been made since 2013, how many coaches which once were considered good have seen the game pass them by? Anyway, we won 2 out of 8 possible games in 2013. That is pathetic. If this is the best example that you can think of, you prove my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Patriotplayer90 said: You "What have you done for me lately" people sure like to ignore the most recent examples which are applicable to this discussion. How many coaching changes have been made since 2013, how many coaches which once were considered good have seen the game pass them by? Anyway, we won 2 out of 8 possible games in 2013. That is pathetic. If this is the best example that you can think of, you prove my point. Aaron Rodgers went down in week 9 and Seneca Wallace went down in week 10. 2-5-1 isn't a bad record with your 3rd string/Free agent QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Aaron Rodgers went down in week 9 and Seneca Wallace went down in week 10. 2-5-1 isn't a bad record with your 3rd string/Free agent QB. How about 3-7 with your 2nd string QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Patriotplayer90 said: How about 3-7 with your 2nd string QB? I mean, 2 of those losses we were tanking for. 3-5 with your backup is again pretty decent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Wait...I get it now. Once a guy makes the most in the NFL his successes are attributable to him being great, but his failures are not his fault anymore. That's an awesome contract he has. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 7 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Bakhtiari was a better LT than Rodgers was a QB in 2017 as well. It's been since 2016 that Rodgers has really looked like the destroyer of worlds that he's capable of being. Not to be a prisoner of the moment, but when it's been 20 games, you at least need to have the conversation Up until he broke his collarbone he had 13 TDs and 1054 yards in 5 games and a triple digit passer rating.The talk at right before the MN game was he was playing at a MVP level. Don't let his poor showing in the last game of the season color your opinion of his play in those first 5 games in 2017. In reality he hasnt been his normal elite self in 8 games, not 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Outpost31 said: You are confusing BEST with most important. Rodgers is not our best player. He's playing at the most important position, and not playing that position at a top level compared to the rest of the league. What part of your brain isn't getting that? We both know that Vikings game does not belong in this conversation the way that BS penalty effected that score. Toss that out. Our defense gave up exactly 7 points that didn't come off a missed field goal, fumble by Rodgers or recovery on special teams. Our defense had one bad game. Rodgers has started poorly in every single game we've played this year. Good second halves, but poorly in first halves. So in your opinion a player who has been called close to the GOAT a calendar year ago is not playing at a God-like level now he is no longer our best player? When Brady lost those SBs was he no longer the best player on the Patriot's roster? When the Saints were having losing seasons was Brees no longer their best player? There is a HUGE difference between not playing well and not being the best player on a particular roster. All it shows is the guy is human and can have his struggles. It happens to even the best of the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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