Xmad Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, Counselor said: I’m reconsidering that trade proposal you sent me Re-consider as you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Counselor said: I traded away Rodgers and Hopkins so I can put my stamp on the team. Stamp of suck You got a good deal for Hopkins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 14 hours ago, wwhickok said: Except that you are assuming that every owner thinks exactly alike and I am someone who is a fairly new owner and can tell you that I disagree with that mentality because it's not my mentality. I would approach free agency by signing guys who have some years left in the league that by the time I feel I would be competitive would still be relevant players and I wouldn't want to eliminate my complete ability to sign those players or any other player for that matter in free agency by double Downing a ton of players just to get rid of them after a single season but that's mainly because I have no interest in intentionally tanking because honestly that's probably the number one reason you would use a double down and mediately and more so numerously in my opinion wwhickok, I want to say this in the nicest way possible but you're 100% wrong. I won the BDL championship last year and still double downed two players at the end of the season. The double down is a feature best used at the end of the season where you utilize any extra cap space that you have left over to get players off your roster in future years. Just because you can't use it now doesn't mean it's not a useful tool for owners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hockey5djh said: wwhickok, I want to say this in the nicest way possible but you're 100% wrong. I won the BDL championship last year and still double downed two players at the end of the season. The double down is a feature best used at the end of the season where you utilize any extra cap space that you have left over to get players off your roster in future years. Just because you can't use it now doesn't mean it's not a useful tool for owners. I am not just a green with using the double down in that situation that's not what I said I never said that. How often is a new owner and I'm just talkin about my personal experience how often is a new owner coming in during the season probably never. I was saying that I double down he's not likely something you are going to use during the off-season which is when I came in I didn't have the opportunity to double down any players during the end of the regular season because I wasn't here then. I doubled down has its advantages but the advantages are very limited. So saying this in the nicest way possible you are 100% wrong in your comment because I wasn't arguing that point at all Edited June 14, 2019 by wwhickok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 14 hours ago, wwhickok said: Proposal 3: Eliminate Following Rule: Normal cut (all year long) : Any player can be cut at any time, but the owner will pay the salary of the player for the remaining time left on the contract. Replace above rule with following rule: Escalate contract cost forward into current year cap cost. I don't understand the misinterpretation of this rule. @TedLavie is right. If a player with 2 years remaining is outright cut then his 2 years worth of contract would stay against your cap over those two years. Other wise this is literally the same thing as a double down. Your proposal already exists in the form of a double down wwhickok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Hockey5djh said: I don't understand the misinterpretation of this rule. @TedLavie is right. If a player with 2 years remaining is outright cut then his 2 years worth of contract would stay against your cap over those two years. Other wise this is literally the same thing as a double down. Your proposal already exists in the form of a double down wwhickok. I am aware that. The real proposal is to Simply eliminate the other rule I don't have a problem with cap space being counted over multiple years but clearly I'm in the minority there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 14 hours ago, Counselor said: I believe the last week of preseason is our first game Incorrect. Out season starts week 1 of the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, wwhickok said: So saying this in the nicest way possible you are 100% wrong in your comment because I wasn't arguing that point at all I literally bolded the point in your post I was arguing. You don't need to tank or lose intentionally to use a double down, nor is it the number one reason why you would use it. I understand your complaint as a new owner and we took very similar paths trading away a ton of players and making a lot of moves to clear cap so you can put your own stamp on the team. That said I don't necessarily agree that a new owner should be given an advantage to help clear a roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, wwhickok said: I am aware that. The real proposal is to Simply eliminate the other rule I don't have a problem with cap space being counted over multiple years but clearly I'm in the minority there We can put it up for a vote, no problem with that at all. I personally would probably need a better understanding of why we would want to get rid of a GM's ability to just cut a player and eat the dead cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 38 minutes ago, Hockey5djh said: I don't understand the misinterpretation of this rule. @TedLavie is right. If a player with 2 years remaining is outright cut then his 2 years worth of contract would stay against your cap over those two years. Other wise this is literally the same thing as a double down. Your proposal already exists in the form of a double down wwhickok. No, no he's not That's never how we've done it ever. We don't move cap hits to future seasons. If you'd like to bring that up in the next meetings feel free. I'm not even opposed to voting for it. But right now no 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 42 minutes ago, wwhickok said: I am not just a green with using the double down in that situation that's not what I said I never said that. How often is a new owner and I'm just talkin about my personal experience how often is a new owner coming in during the season probably never. I was saying that I double down he's not likely something you are going to use during the off-season which is when I came in I didn't have the opportunity to double down any players during the end of the regular season because I wasn't here then. I doubled down has its advantages but the advantages are very limited. So saying this in the nicest way possible you are 100% wrong in your comment because I wasn't arguing that point at all Ya took over a bad team. You can't fix it in one season. Just like real life. I wish I still had my first lineup to show you what I started with. Jake Locker and Darren McFadden with a bunch of scrubs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: No, no he's not That's never how we've done it ever. We don't move cap hits to future seasons. If you'd like to bring that up in the next meetings feel free. I'm not even opposed to voting for it. But right now no Thank you. I knew it wasnt a thing. 13 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: Ya took over a bad team. You can't fix it in one season. Just like real life. I wish I still had my first lineup to show you what I started with. Jake Locker and Darren McFadden with a bunch of scrubs I had like 9 QBs on the roster that were all trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: Ya took over a bad team. You can't fix it in one season. Just like real life. I wish I still had my first lineup to show you what I started with. Jake Locker and Darren McFadden with a bunch of scrubs Nobody was talking about being able to fix it in one season and furthermore the proposals I need wouldn't even help me. So everybody thinking that I'm making this about me but I'm not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Anyway thank you guys for your input I've never regretted bringing up a topic more in my entire life and I am done with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Holy hell I found an old one. I don't know the year QB Jake Locker RB Darren McFadden WR Reggie Wayne WR Anquan Bolden WR Paul Richardson TE. Troy Niklas LT Greg Robinson LG Todd Herremans C Manny Ramirez RG Ramon Foster RT Jeremy Parnell FB John Kuhn TE Scott Chandler WR AJ Jenkins OL Jack Mewhort OL Brandon Linder Edge Dee Ford DT Glenn Dorset DT Alan Branch DE Julius Peppers LB CJ Mosley LB Lance Briggs CB Antonio Cromartie CB Carlos Rogers CB Alterraun Verner S. Antoine Bethea S Jim Leonhard Edge Scott Crichton DT Tyson Jackson DT Clinton McDonald's LB AJ Hawk S Pat Chung CB Nevin Lawson Lolololol Edited June 14, 2019 by bcb1213 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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