Jeremy408 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 27 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Yannick was outplayed by Campbell and Allen for multiple years not just his one double digit sack year. How did he get outplayed by Allen for multiple years if he only played with Allen one year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: I like Yannick and think he'll definitely be a big improvement over what we've had. If Crosby can make a leap as well our pass rush should be good but I just don't think Yannick is some dominant, elite player. He has been at his best when playing with another good pass rusher, luckily we have one in Crosby. I respect that position but it's one thing to say he's not an elite player it's another thing to say that he's a complementary player. Those are two different things lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: How did he get outplayed by Allen for multiple years if he only played with Allen one year He got outplayed multiple years, twice by Campbell and once by Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: I respect that position but it's one thing to say he's not an elite player it's another thing to say that he's a complementary player. Those are two different things lol What would you consider Maxx Crosby? He's pretty similar to Yannick in that he's a good but not dominant pass rusher that also gets washed in the run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He got outplayed multiple years, twice by Campbell and once by Allen. Campbell was an interior guy. All I'm going to stay with Allen as I want to see what he looks like without yannick Edited June 14, 2021 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Campbell was an interior guy. All I'm going to stay with Allen as I want to see what he looks like without yannick Campbell played RDE according to pro football reference. And wasn't Allen banged up most of last season on a team that was actively tanking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: What would you consider Maxx Crosby? He's pretty similar to Yannick in that he's a good but not dominant pass rusher that also gets washed in the run game. Now this is actually a good question(probably the best question you've asked me this past week). Let me start by saying I absolutely love Maxx Crosby. I think he's a good player that wins with effort rather than actual pass rush moves. Like if you actually watch how he plays he never actually wins the rep he mostly gets his sacks off of broken plays where the quarterback is either a holding the ball forever or be scrambling. Currently his ceiling is 10 sacks and his floor is 7. Why Yannick is different is because 1. He actually wins reps with a handful of different styles of rushing the passer from the edge. 2. Since he's been in the NFL he's had more precious than everyone not named Aaron Donald(which shows that he consistently gets to the quarterback regardless if he actually gets the sack or not and actually might be the reason why others get more sack than him on his team 3. His current ceiling is higher at 12 sacks and his floor is higher at eight sacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Campbell played RDE according to pro football reference. And wasn't Allen banged up most of last season on a team that was actively tanking? Calais Campbell is listed as a defensive end but doesn't Rush from the end spot. He plays the five tech that kicks inside very similar to what they want Ferrell or Gregory Rousseau to do. in terms of Allen, I'm not even talking particularly about last year I'm talking about going forward it'll be interesting to see how Allen does without Ngakoue going forward(also want to see how Nick Bosa does without deforest Buckner going forward) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Yannick also forces a lot of fumbles. Those turnovers are the difference between winning and losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: Calais Campbell is listed as a defensive end but doesn't Rush from the end spot. He plays the five tech that kicks inside very similar to what they want Ferrell or Gregory Rousseau to do. in terms of Allen, I'm not even talking particularly about last year I'm talking about going forward it'll be interesting to see how Allen does without Ngakoue going forward(also want to see how Nick Bosa does without deforest Buckner going forward) It will also be interesting to see how Yannick performs with what will likely be a mediocre interior pass rush this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: It will also be interesting to see how Yannick performs with what will likely be a mediocre interior pass rush this season. It'll be a good conversation to have a year from now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: It'll be a good conversation to have a year from now Yes it will be. Hoping Ferrell, Thomas, Jefferson, and Philon can provide some interior pass rushing but I'm not overly optimistic about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Yes it will be. Hoping Ferrell, Thomas, Jefferson, and Philon can provide some interior pass rushing but I'm not overly optimistic about it. Now when it comes to that you and I agree. I think Jefferson provides a pretty decent floor. And I like the ceiling of Solomon Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: Now when it comes to that you and I agree. I think Jefferson provides a pretty decent floor. And I like the ceiling of Solomon Thomas. Jefferson is a decent rotational piece but he produced at a similar level to Mo Hurst. Thomas could be a sleeper but he never really did much on a stacked defensive line in San Francisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, NYRaider said: Jefferson is a decent rotational piece but he produced at a similar level to Mo Hurst. Thomas could be a sleeper but he never really did much on a stacked defensive line in San Francisco. I am actually more confident in Philon than Thomas because he's played at a pretty decent level before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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