vikingsrule Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: The poor run blocking last year was just as much, if not more, of a byproduct of the scheme and coaching, as it was the talent. The Kubiak/Dennison scheme is going to make things a lot easier for the linemen in the run game. You're probably right scheme change will help. More talent would go a long way as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: Moving Reiff to OG doesn't take away the need for two OL unless you're implying that Hill takes over at RT. It takes away the need for two OL early. It would be nice, but it’s not a need. With Kline it makes the need to draft one OL who can provide an immediate impact. And with Kline, and the option of moving Reiff inside, it broadens the need to any position along the line, instead of narrowing that need to just IOL. It would still be nice to see the team grab two OL with two of their first three picks. A starter plus a guy who can probably push for some playing, but likely be a reliable reserve during their rookie season rather than be a definite developmental player. Personally, I’m still hoping the team grabs 3-4 offensive linemen out of their 8 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vikingsrule Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: It takes away the need for two OL early. It would be nice, but it’s not a need. With Kline it makes the need to draft one OL who can provide an immediate impact. And with Kline, and the option of moving Reiff inside, it broadens the need to any position along the line, instead of narrowing that need to just IOL. It would still be nice to see the team grab two OL with two of their first three picks. A starter plus a guy who can probably push for some playing, but likely be a reliable reserve during their rookie season rather than be a definite developmental player. Personally, I’m still hoping the team grabs 3-4 offensive linemen out of their 8 picks. If you think Kline is an opening day starter, unquestioned, than it takes away the need for two OL early. I'm just not ready to make that jump. Id prefer to get Bradbury with the first pick and then grab a guard in round two or three. Bradbury starts at Center and the best two of Elflein, Kline and 2nd/3rd round rookie start at Guard. This way, you at least have decent depth too. Other big needs include DT and WR3, maybe DE (Griffen and Weatherly could both move on next year). TE becomes less of a need with the decision to keep Rudolph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SemperFeist Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, vikingsrule said: TE becomes less of a need with the decision to keep Rudolph. I wouldn’t say that that decision has been made, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vikestyle Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: If you think Kline is an opening day starter, unquestioned, than it takes away the need for two OL early. I'm just not ready to make that jump. Id prefer to get Bradbury with the first pick and then grab a guard in round two or three. Bradbury starts at Center and the best two of Elflein, Kline and 2nd/3rd round rookie start at Guard. This way, you at least have decent depth too. Other big needs include DT and WR3, maybe DE (Griffen and Weatherly could both move on next year). TE becomes less of a need with the decision to keep Rudolph. I don't think him saying we don't need two OL early is equal to saying he will be unquestioned. We could go OL in the 1st and 4th, which would mean that Kline/4th rounder/Isidora could compete for the final starting job. Without Kline, many were thinking we HAD to go OL first and second. I still don't think anyone would be mad if we took OL with our first two picks, but it lessens the need to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, vikestyle said: I don't think him saying we don't need two OL early is equal to saying he will be unquestioned. We could go OL in the 1st and 4th, which would mean that Kline/4th rounder/Isidora could compete for the final starting job. Without Kline, many were thinking we HAD to go OL first and second. I still don't think anyone would be mad if we took OL with our first two picks, but it lessens the need to do so. Okay, but if Remmers was never released, would we be okay with just a fourth rounder competing for his spot? Didn't Kline and Remmers grade out similarly last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 hours ago, gopherwrestler said: Vikings like their wrestlers on the OLine and Dline https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/5065036-minnesota-vikings-draft-influenced-by-wrestling Is that why they all suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikestyle Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, vikingsrule said: Okay, but if Remmers was never released, would we be okay with just a fourth rounder competing for his spot? Didn't Kline and Remmers grade out similarly last year? I would have been okay with it I think but I'm in the minority. I was hoping it would be Compton/Isidora/4th rounder. Anyway, I don't know all that much about Kline. I do know that I don't trust PFF as the only thing that matters, but it's really the only data we have. I have not watched him so I don't know if he is good. Your point definitely stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikestyle Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, Vikes_Bolts1228 said: Is that why they all suck? Too bad the only move the OL learned is to sprawl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, vikestyle said: Too bad the only move the OL learned is to sprawl Haha if they were sprawling on top of someone that would be a good block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidvikingfan Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 hours ago, vikingsrule said: Okay, but if Remmers was never released, would we be okay with just a fourth rounder competing for his spot? Didn't Kline and Remmers grade out similarly last year? If we had kept Remmers on the contract he had then yes he would have been the unquestioned starter as I believe it to sort of be not in reality to believe that contract was given for a backup player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 12 hours ago, SemperFeist said: It takes away the need for two OL early. It would be nice, but it’s not a need. With Kline it makes the need to draft one OL who can provide an immediate impact. And with Kline, and the option of moving Reiff inside, it broadens the need to any position along the line, instead of narrowing that need to just IOL. It would still be nice to see the team grab two OL with two of their first three picks. A starter plus a guy who can probably push for some playing, but likely be a reliable reserve during their rookie season rather than be a definite developmental player. Personally, I’m still hoping the team grabs 3-4 offensive linemen out of their 8 picks. I hope you are right. We'll see. I'm hoping that Kubiak/Dennison will be able to get some blood out of these turnips!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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