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2 minutes ago, Pickle Rick said:

Then answer one simple question that has been posed to you 30 times over the last 2 days and you have yet to answer it.  If you are town and think I'm town just answer the damn question and I can move on.  Why would you as town purposely avoid answering a simple question like this.  

Because I have answered it a million times, and swag has also answered it on my behalf..

It's time to move on, pumpkin

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1 minute ago, SwAg said:

Because he answered it.  No one is buying this act between you two right now.

I swear to you, it is not an act, at least not on my part

One of us is being stupid, the other is being nasty

 

I think he is the former and I am the latter, but at this point, who knows?

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4 minutes ago, Counselor said:

Self interest? I agree with what Pickle is saying. Your moves make no sense as a townie. You are either scum or a very bad town player. And coming from me probably the worst mafia player ever, that’s pretty bad. 

ahh.. but if you are, in fact, the worst mafia player ever, then wouldn't it follow that your idea of what a "very bad town player" is, is probably incorrect?

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4 minutes ago, Forge said:

Its one of the things that I've been kicking around in my head. My gut leads me to think that both scum were not on ET...one was, and one wasn't. Nothing to support that, just my gut. 

you'll do well, in general, if you think about these sort of things, and not wild nonsense like some players do..

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Just now, Tk3 said:

you'll do well, in general, if you think about these sort of things, and not wild nonsense like some players do..

I think it's extremely risky for both scum to vote ET, have him turn green, and off Orca the same night (another ET vote). I felt like it would have made more sense to knock off you or Swag. If both scum are on ET as the vote, it gives a little too much help in the percentage department to town in their scum hunt. The non scum players who voted for ET will know of course that they aren't scum, which limits their pool to only three to target immediately. If both scum are on ET, it's a 67% chance that they get the right person, and probably even better after following through the thread. 

It makes more logical sense to have one off, one on. Town would immediately look at players who voted ET as potential suspects. This is just super risky. This is why you have to remain a suspect in my eyes - you didn't vote for ET, you believed that Orca may have CC'd the cop claim (giving you reason to actually hit an individual that also voted for ET). 

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Here is every post from tk3 involving the soft cc on orca and until swag answers for tk3 there is absolutely no explanation given 

On 5/7/2019 at 5:06 PM, The Orca said:

@Tk3 please explain what you saw in my post here that lead you to the conclusion you replied with

 

On 5/7/2019 at 5:48 PM, The Orca said:

Do share with quotes

 

 

On 5/7/2019 at 6:07 PM, The Orca said:

Let's see if Tk3 ever responds

What do you make of Tk3 outright drawing attention to specials and calling it out. I'm willing to bet no one else sees what you all did (I'm betting you each didnt see the same thing either). As a civ, would you ever draw attention to something that isnt clearly stated that puts a special in harms way when it isnt needed to be stated publically for all to see?

 

On 5/7/2019 at 6:40 PM, Tk3 said:

I'll bet $100 that I "fail" his "test"

But apparently I like punishment and talking to walls.. so here goes..

 

On 5/7/2019 at 6:43 PM, Tk3 said:

Like I have said 100 times

I didn't paint a target on your back.. YOU did by making that post.. Stop blaming me for you being dumb

I thought he soft claimed, and you soft CCed.. I don't know who to believe, hence, why the eff I am trying to get people to hard claim.. Like I've said before, if one of you is the cop and the other is mafia, then the mafia already friggin knows who the cop is, so why not inform the 1 person who can actually help you?

 

On 5/7/2019 at 6:44 PM, Tk3 said:

I haven't ignored anything.. I've said numerous times that I didn't special hunt.. the potential specials have just effed around enough that it is obvious

 

On 5/7/2019 at 6:48 PM, Tk3 said:

I've said it NUMEROUS times, but I suppose I have to say it NUMEROUS more times to pacify you...

ET soft claimed cop.. I was hesitant to believe it, but also more hesitant to lynch a possible power role..

I also believe you soft claimed cop as well.. 

This creates a classic claim/counterclaim, but unfortunately if we get it wrong, the other will have the ability to say "I didn't actually claim"

At this point, I want both of you to either hardclaim Cop, or hardclaim Normie (if either of you are the doctor, for all that is good just claim Normie)

Then we can see if we have a true claim/counterclaim situation, and make people put their money where their mouth is. In the event one of you is not truly claiming, then the doctor knows who they need to protect

I don't think this is that difficult.. Do you want me to try to explain it again? Maybe with little pictures?

 

4 hours ago, Tk3 said:

sigh... are we really re-hashing this?

I saw what I felt like were two soft claims.. I wanted to see either of them hardclaim cop, or hardclaim normie.. That way we could all determine if there was a true claim/CC situation..

I didn't vote for either of them, because they didn't lock into the claim/CC dynamic, and I was using caution to avoid lynching specials.. Which is exactly what happened because you are all morons..

Had they just both claimed normie, which would have been the correct response given both of their roles, then this wouldn't even have been an issue..

But the fact that NEITHER of them stood up put us in this position where everyone effed up

 

4 hours ago, Tk3 said:

I'm done answering these type of things.. I've made it abundantly clear why I voted the way I did, and why I made the assumptions I did..

Feel free to try to use your brain to come up with these answers.. its all in thread..

 

3 hours ago, Tk3 said:

I'm done with Rick because he is an annoyance and the answers to his questions are obvious and have been stated numerous times already. There is nothing to be gained for town for me to keep answering them, and frankly, it just gets me worked up

As for you, I don't know what you want me to say.. you read much differently from many games. It's not my strongest read, hence why I haven't outright targeted you, but I want it out there that it is something to consider.

 

3 hours ago, Tk3 said:

I'm not sifting through 40 pages to find the quote

He basically made a post that led me to the conclusion that he didn't believe ET and I assumed it was because he was the actual cop

He also voted for a soft claimed special without a counter being out there

Shame on all of you for that

 

43 minutes ago, Tk3 said:

I explained it over and over again.. its not my fault you two are too daft to see an explanation and realize that it is an explanation

 

13 minutes ago, Tk3 said:

First and foremost, I've noted it on numerous occasions

Secondly, it is where I THOUGHT orca soft countered.. which I have explained.. if you are unwilling to follow the things I say, then I guess that is what it is

Thirdly, you are not the authority here.. I am only willing to comply for so long before I start giving you the metaphorical middle finger, a line in which we have long since crossed

 

And possibly most importantly.. Literally none of this matters because the read was incorrect.. The read was incorrect, but the logic behind it was sound.. 

The real questions we should be asking are things like..

"knowing that mafia knew that ET was civ, would they have voted for him thinking he may be a special?" Questions like THAT are how you get to the bottom of things.. not your nonsense.

My personal opinion? they probably had an earlyish vote on him, but probably not a hammer.. That is why I am not voting Forge, is because I don't think he hammers as mafia given the landscape of where things were at that point (I think it was a bad move to hammer in any scenario, but definitely not as mafia)

 

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1 minute ago, Forge said:

I think it's extremely risky for both scum to vote ET, have him turn green, and off Orca the same night (another ET vote). I felt like it would have made more sense to knock off you or Swag. If both scum are on ET as the vote, it gives a little too much help in the percentage department to town in their scum hunt. The non scum players who voted for ET will know of course that they aren't scum, which limits their pool to only three to target immediately. If both scum are on ET, it's a 67% chance that they get the right person, and probably even better after following through the thread. 

It makes more logical sense to have one off, one on. Town would immediately look at players who voted ET as potential suspects. This is just super risky. This is why you have to remain a suspect in my eyes - you didn't vote for ET, you believed that Orca may have CC'd the cop claim (giving you reason to actually hit an individual that also voted for ET). 

I agree with this as a whole.. although I think it would be really dumb of me to outwardly say that ET and Orca were acting like specials, and then hit one of them..

My money is on some pairing of Counselor/Swag, Counselor/Touch, Naz/Swag, Naz/Touch

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2 minutes ago, Pickle Rick said:

Here is every post from tk3 involving the soft cc on orca and until swag answers for tk3 there is absolutely no explanation given 

we've moved on.. kthx

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9 minutes ago, Tk3 said:

I agree with this as a whole.. although I think it would be really dumb of me to outwardly say that ET and Orca were acting like specials, and then hit one of them..

My money is on some pairing of Counselor/Swag, Counselor/Touch, Naz/Swag, Naz/Touch

I legit keep forgetting that Touch is in the game. His immediate unvote, however, struck a chord with me as being genuine. 

Counselor I have definite misgivings on. 

Naz I have nothing on. I wasn't lying last game when I said I didn't have a read. He doesn't really give me enough to work with. 

I have considered Swag....but my reads are suspect with him, I will admit. I was convinced that he was scum in criminal minds. Like super sure. Now part of that was because of the bomb defuser ability (since I had it as well), and perhaps I wouldn't have thought that way if that component wasn't involved. He does and says some weird things sometimes that make me wonder, but I think that they are flying above my head. There's been a decided lack of something in his game today, which I'll keep to myself, that lends me to think that he's town. If he's scum, he just flat out outplayed me with regards to something in particular. If that's the case, Kudos to him. 

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