JetsFan15 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dr.O said: 40-50% with varying degrees of success such as quality back up, decent starter, special teams ace, or star, the problem is most of his mid-rounders end up out of the league, Smith, Mauldin, Hack, Stewart, Harrison, Hansen, Petty, Donahue, and Burris are all either bouncing around the league or out of it completely. That is unrealistic. No team has hit that with mid round picks. Do you proof to back up this percentage? Or is this just your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Just now, JetsFan15 said: That is unrealistic. No team has hit that with mid round picks. Do you proof to back up this percentage? Or is this just your opinion? Opinion and I dont think expecting 2 guys between the 2nd-5th rounds to contribute to your team like I stated is out landish by any stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan15 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dr.O said: Opinion and I dont think expecting 2 guys between the 2nd-5th rounds to contribute to your team like I stated is out landish by any stretch. Agree to disagree as if 1st round has a 53% success rate expecting close to the same from mid rounds is not realistic. I also don't ;consider 2nd round a mid round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, JetsFan15 said: Agree to disagree as if 1st round has a 53% success rate expecting close to the same from mid rounds is not realistic. I also don't ;consider 2nd round a mid round pick. I do but I’m not expecting the same level of success as I am a 1st rounder I’m expecting either a solid back up, Special team ace, or Starter. Be one of those 3 and your a mid-round hit in my book. But like you said agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan15 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dr.O said: I do but I’m not expecting the same level of success as I am a 1st rounder I’m expecting either a solid back up, Special team ace, or Starter. Be one of those 3 and your a mid-round hit in my book. But like you said agree to disagree. Well if you are considering back up and ST then he has hit more than 2 in fairness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 3 hours ago, JetsFan15 said: I am going to preface this with I believe Macc can do better but I certainly do not think he is a disaster or the worst GM in the league. That being said: I really don't understand what the Macc haters expect. It seems you expect every pick to be an All Pro which is asinine and unreasonable. It seems you think other GMs have some unbelievably high hit rate on draft picks ... news flash - they don't. The facts are that even 1st round picks have only a 53% chance of success. Success being a starter in the league not an All Pro. Success rates drop each round after that. Fact is that Macc has had 28 draft picks (not counting this years) and of those 29% are starters on this team. That is not a bad hit rate considering the rest of the league averages. I would expect we end up with Q as a starter this year. Polite as a pass rush specialist and potential starter next year. Edoga to reach starter level in the next 2 years. The rest are crap shoots. The other thing that is bizarre with Macc haters is the lack of understanding of his first two years in regards to the marching orders given by Woody. After Idzik fiasco Woody clearly gave orders to spend in FA not to mention we needed to hit the floor. So Macc did in 2015 - signing Revis, Gilchrist, Skrine, Carpenter, Cro and Ridely were all brought in along with a few others.in FA and we acquired Fitz. All under the "competitive rebuild" flag. We go 10-6 but miss the playoffs. This delays the inevitable - the breakdown of the roster and full rebuild of the roster. Predictably - Fitz comes back to earth and we suck. Roster is purged of older players over the next two years and the rebuild starts when it should have started in 2015. The eye is building towards this off season when we will have a ton of cap space. 2017 and 2018 drafts are key to the 2019 off season. We land 4 key pieces but most importantly a young potential franchise QB. This can't be overstated. I have been following the Jets since the late 1970's and honestly say Sam Darnold is by far the best QB prospect we have had and has created the most optimism I have had in the long term future of this position. Love Kenny OB and he was great. Liked Chad but always knew with the noodle arm he would need a lot of help. But, Sam, man the kid has it and I am confident he will develop. Anyway, this coupled with the pick ups this year and this years draft, it is hard to say Macc is not on the right track. Re-visionary history is easy on picks. And not all picks are great picks even for great GMs/scouts. Macc can do better but he has not been a disaster like some claim. The team is committed to him so the fans should remain positive. I really hope with the new coaching staff his picks start to develop and I believe they will frankly. Bowles and his staff was part of the problem of guys not working out. I just wonder what the Macc haters will complain about if the picks start to pan out ...lol No it’s a GM sticking to his plan when it’s proven not to work. He goes for BPA every single pick. Never thinking about need. He has talents stare him in the face and he doesn’t draft them in any Round after Round 1. Hence why we have so little talent on the roster and holes that haven’t been filled for the whole time he’s been here. And it would be 1 thing if he was ignoring needs and landing players at positions not of need. But he’s choosing guys we don’t need and they cut in a year or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan15 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: No it’s a GM sticking to his plan when it’s proven not to work. He goes for BPA every single pick. Never thinking about need. He has talents stare him in the face and he doesn’t draft them in any Round after Round 1. Hence why we have so little talent on the roster and holes that haven’t been filled for the whole time he’s been here. And it would be 1 thing if he was ignoring needs and landing players at positions not of need. But he’s choosing guys we don’t need and they cut in a year or 2. Who are you specifically talking about that was a position of need that he passed on after round 1? Would be interested in hearing some names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, JetsFan15 said: Who are you specifically talking about that was a position of need that he passed on after round 1? Would be interested in hearing some names. Man really the names are endless. 2017 I wanted Mixon it Cook instead of Maye. Elflein instead of trading back just to get Stewart. Im not going to give you a long run down list of who I wanted for every pick. What I will say is I’ve only liked maybe a handful of our picks at the time of the draft and actually 2 of them were this year in Polite and Edoga. Adams and Darnold are 2 others. And I was on board with Jenkins and Shell. Every picks outside of those... I wanted someone else, so do the math on that. I’ve liked 6 picks of Maccs 5 full drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan15 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: Man really the names are endless. 2017 I wanted Mixon it Cook instead of Maye. Elflein instead of trading back just to get Stewart. Im not going to give you a long run down list of who I wanted for every pick. What I will say is I’ve only liked maybe a handful of our picks at the time of the draft and actually 2 of them were this year in Polite and Edoga. Adams and Darnold are 2 others. And I was on board with Jenkins and Shell. Every picks outside of those... I wanted someone else, so do the math on that. I’ve liked 6 picks of Maccs 5 full drafts. Mixon is not a game changer. Cook is average at best and if he does not produce this year will be labeled a bust. Elfein sucks and losing his job this year. Not really a game changing list .. if those are you best examples then yes please don't waste time making a list. Dude I get you rather have a GM that picks the players you want but just because they don't doesn't mean they suck. Not all "your picks" work out either with clearly two horrible examples above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: Man really the names are endless. 2017 I wanted Mixon it Cook instead of Maye. Elflein instead of trading back just to get Stewart. Im not going to give you a long run down list of who I wanted for every pick. What I will say is I’ve only liked maybe a handful of our picks at the time of the draft and actually 2 of them were this year in Polite and Edoga. Adams and Darnold are 2 others. And I was on board with Jenkins and Shell. Every picks outside of those... I wanted someone else, so do the math on that. I’ve liked 6 picks of Maccs 5 full drafts. Elfien was a good pass(been one of the 2 or 3 worst Centers in the league)...but Stewart and Hansen have been equally as bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr.O said: Elfien was a good pass(been one of the 2 or 3 worst Centers in the league)...but Stewart and Hansen have been equally as bad I didn’t say I would have hit on every pick. I’m being honest on who I wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, JetsFan15 said: LMAO. I am starting to think you are John Idzik pissed off you lost your job to Macc or perhaps Macc kicked your dog. Seriously though if you can't give credit to the moves that have worked out then I have to question if you are even a Jets fan. What moves have worked out? We’ve picked in the top 6 his last 3 seasons. What talent has he added that makes you say he’s the guy to continue leading us forward. In that case Idzik deserves some credit. You’re an apologist who supports mediocrity and we ain’t even mediocre we’re worse. Macc just declined the 5th year option on the only first round pick he had outside the top 6. Tells you everything you need to know about his ability to identify talent. And I like Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan15 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: I didn’t say I would have hit on every pick. I’m being honest on who I wanted. Right and your two options are not better than Maye frankly. Two dime a dozen RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Draft Mixon means we don’t spent cap on Bell which means we have cap to fill other holes. Macc trash. Smith, Hack(I understood the gamble), Mauldin, Stewart, Hansen, Burris and Lee(FA next year) That’s 7 misses where if he just hits on 3 we’re in better shape but come next year none of them will be on the team. He literally drafts a MLB in Round 1 and then has to spend big money on 2 of them in back to back off seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Just now, JetsFan15 said: Right and your two options are not better than Maye frankly. Two dime a dozen RBs. You pick that one example which is funny to me. Bc quite frankly every other pick you can choose has been a fail by Macc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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