CWood21 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 21 hours ago, NYRaider said: He missed 1/3 of the season though. We both know damn well that if you put LeBron on almost any team you're at bare minimum a legitimate contender. The same thing can be said for Durant, Curry, and Leonard. That isn't the case with Anthony Davis, again, that's not a jab at him and he could still become that player. But in the modern league, it's also very difficult for a big man to be a superstar because of the way the game is played. Wait...so now injuries do affect production? You just got done telling us that talent overcomes those issues, but now you're saying that LeBron's injury issues are the reason why he didn't succeed. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Wait...so now injuries do affect production? You just got done telling us that talent overcomes those issues, but now you're saying that LeBron's injury issues are the reason why he didn't succeed. Which is it? How can talent overcome being on the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 21 hours ago, NYRaider said: Why wouldn't you be super selective with it? To be a superstar means that you're one of the greatest athletes in the history of the sport. Because you're legitimately making an argument with no standard. You said Kawhi Leonard was a superstar, but Anthony Davis wasn't. Anthony Davis was more productive, had a higher earnings in terms of endorsements than Kawhi Leonard, and got paid more. So does Kawhi Leonard winning somehow make everything else irrelevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 21 hours ago, NYRaider said: And if you're also taking off-court metrics into play then he's definitely not a superstar. He wasn't top 15 in jersey sales, doesn't have his own shoe, and only made $9M in endorsements last season. Kawhi Leonard made $5M in enorsements, but he's a superstar. Shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, NYRaider said: How can talent overcome being on the bench? So...you literally just got done talking about how injuries shouldn't be held against players, but now you're saying you need to take into account with regards to superstar players. You have to apply it across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Kawhi Leonard made $5M in enorsements, but he's a superstar. Shocker. Kawhi Leonard has more NBA championships than Davis has 50 win seasons and he definitely became one of the most popular players in the league this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Because you're legitimately making an argument with no standard. You said Kawhi Leonard was a superstar, but Anthony Davis wasn't. Anthony Davis was more productive, had a higher earnings in terms of endorsements than Kawhi Leonard, and got paid more. So does Kawhi Leonard winning somehow make everything else irrelevant? Kawhi actually carries his team to NBA championships and has gone gawd status to stop 2 dynasties. AD with two All-Stars isn't even good enough to get 50 wins. If AD is your best player it doesn't even guarantee that you'll be a playoff level team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Because you're legitimately making an argument with no standard. You said Kawhi Leonard was a superstar, but Anthony Davis wasn't. Anthony Davis was more productive, had a higher earnings in terms of endorsements than Kawhi Leonard, and got paid more. So does Kawhi Leonard winning somehow make everything else irrelevant? AD wasn't more productive. He's also never led New Orleans anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: Kawhi actually carries his team to NBA championships and has gone gawd status to stop 2 dynasties. AD with two All-Stars isn't even good enough to get 50 wins. If AD is your best player it doesn't even guarantee that you'll be a playoff level team. You wont be. He proved in New Orleans he can't carry a team. Hell, his supporting cast wasn't even terrible. Replace Kawhi, KD, Harden with AD on those New Orleans teams and they're 5 or 6 seeds at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Kawhi Leonard has more NBA championships than Davis has 50 win seasons and he definitely became one of the most popular players in the league this year. So now we're going to penalize Anthony Davis for playing with a mediocre supporting cast in a mediocre conference? Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: So now we're going to penalize Anthony Davis for playing with a mediocre supporting cast in a mediocre conference? Okay. Mediocre supporting cast? He has played with multiple All-Stars. And if he is a superstar, why wasn't he able to elevate his team and teammates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, CWood21 said: So now we're going to penalize Anthony Davis for playing with a mediocre supporting cast in a mediocre conference? Okay. Eh. ADs supporting cast really wasn't all that horrible. Jrue is a really good player. They had a few decent role players over the past few years. AD just can't carry a team like other stars can. He's probably the best #2 guy in the league but its pretty clear he isn't a "carrier" like Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Harden etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Kawhi actually carries his team to NBA championships and has gone gawd status to stop 2 dynasties. AD with two All-Stars isn't even good enough to get 50 wins. If AD is your best player it doesn't even guarantee that you'll be a playoff level team. Carried? The Raptors won 59 games the prior year, and made it to the second round. They won 58 games with Kawhi and won a championship. That's not carrying. That's elevating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: Mediocre supporting cast? He has played with multiple All-Stars. And if he is a superstar, why wasn't he able to elevate his team and teammates? Yes. Mediocre. Jrue Holiday isn't very good. He's at best a #3 on a championship team, and DMC hasn't played winning ball in his career yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, CWood21 said: Carried? The Raptors won 59 games the prior year, and made it to the second round. They won 58 games with Kawhi and won a championship. That's not carrying. That's elevating. Thats fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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