skibrett15 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Norm said: Or you could just not and keep the pick and spend the extra mil and hope you land him. firegute.com but this idea that he just turned his nose up at a trade........... but there are 4 teams disappointed right now wishing they traded a 5th round pick. Once you can prove that there's 5 teams interested in Daniels... you have a trade. It's pretty much that simple. The market for daniels is there. Instead of pursuing that market, they cut him. Perhaps it was for sentimental reasons. Gute just said they pursued a trade in his post cut press conference though. So pretty clearly they butchered it. Edited July 26, 2019 by skibrett15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltarich87 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 TBH the end result was probably a mix of GB botching things and them being truthful about not finding a trade partner. I think what happened is they waited too long to shop Daniels, which made their intentions known, and teams didn't bother since they had already figured that GB was likely moving on from him. Why trade for him now when they can just wait it out until he gets cut Should have shopped him right after their big FA signings tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Cause Mathieu got cut and signed for pennies? I don't get how people don't understand by now, teams don't trade for guys being cut. Gute was sitting on his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, skibrett15 said: but there are 4 teams disappointed right now wishing they traded a 5th round pick. Invent the time machine and they can go back and give us a pick. They all thought they could reel him in and didn't. Doesn't mean they would have traded without knowing that. Edited July 26, 2019 by Norm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Norm said: Or you could just not and keep the pick and spend the extra mil and hope you land him. firegute.com but this idea that he just turned his nose up at a trade........... It was botched man, what do you know? Gute is the anti Ted, he spit in the face of a draft pick so he could cut Daniels fo free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg C. Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 At least he didn't go to the Vikings. It's always so embarrassing when a former Packer is trotted out in public in a purple uniform. The football equivalent of an orange prison jumpsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Cause Mathieu got cut and signed for pennies? I don't get how people don't understand by now, teams don't trade for guys being cut. no reason to cut him pre-camp. Play it out. Trade him. Maintain a posture that you're keeping him. Quit letting the cat out of the bag that you're planning to cut him so you preserve his value. Daniels was an asset with a market value above the traded contract. Many teams wanted that asset. GB controlled that asset, and decided to willingly give up control for no apparent reason. I don't really see what we're even arguing. They butchered a somewhat meaningless in the grand scheme but tangible move. Keep doing this and you lose a lot of value in the aggregate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Just now, skibrett15 said: no reason to cut him pre-camp. Play it out. Trade him. Maintain a posture that you're keeping him. Quit letting the cat out of the bag that you're planning to cut him so you preserve his value. Daniels was an asset with a market value above the traded contract. Many teams wanted that asset. GB controlled that asset, and decided to willingly give up control for no apparent reason. I don't really see what we're even arguing. They butchered a somewhat meaningless in the grand scheme but tangible move. Keep doing this and you lose a lot of value in the aggregate. They wanted the cap money and of Daniels got hurt, they don't get it. They decided this spring that Daniels was not going to put on a Packer helmet ever again, Wednesday was the last day to get someone to deal for him and it didn't happen. There's no argument because you should "get it." You don't botch these things, a deadline was set to work a deal, no one offered us a pick and we cut him. Teams don't trade for players like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 they basically exercised an out of the money option before the expiration date. It's not a defensible financial transaction unless it was done for sentimental reasons to Daniels, which is the kind of behavior I'm looking for this FO to eliminate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: It was botched man, what do you know? Gute is the anti Ted, he spit in the face of a draft pick so he could cut Daniels fo free. Gute fan out of minutes on his pay as you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: they basically exercised an out of the money option before the expiration date. It's not a defensible financial transaction unless it was done for sentimental reasons to Daniels, which is the kind of behavior I'm looking for this FO to eliminate. Yeah, Ted was so sentimental to long time packers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Norm said: Gute fan out of minutes on his pay as you go. Cheapskate Ted signed up for the phone plan I see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Just now, Packerraymond said: They wanted the cap money and of Daniels got hurt, they don't get it. They decided this spring that Daniels was not going to put on a Packer helmet ever again, Wednesday was the last day to get someone to deal for him and it didn't happen. There's no argument because you should "get it." You don't botch these things, a deadline was set to work a deal, no one offered us a pick and we cut him. Teams don't trade for players like this. plenty of guys get dealt on the last year of their deal. I'm not sure what you're getting at? Dee ford got dealt this year. Marcus Gilbert is pretty much the perfect example. Mediocre player traded for a 6th round pick. Robert quinn got a 1 year deal and fetched a 2020 6th. Ryan Tannehill, Jordan Howard... these are all in 2019 and most are much worse players than Daniels. Any veteran player who has a free agent market has trade value so long as his current contract isn't in excess of his market value. Daniels got more than his current contract on the open market, and possibly took less to go to detroit rather than one of the 4 other teams who were very interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: plenty of guys get dealt on the last year of their deal. I'm not sure what you're getting at? Dee ford got dealt this year. Marcus Gilbert is pretty much the perfect example. Mediocre player traded for a 6th round pick. Robert quinn got a 1 year deal and fetched a 2020 6th. Ryan Tannehill, Jordan Howard... these are all in 2019 and most are much worse players than Daniels. Any veteran player who has a free agent market has trade value so long as his current contract isn't in excess of his market value. Daniels got more than his current contract on the open market, and possibly took less to go to detroit rather than one of the 4 other teams who were very interested. We're doomed. We didn't get a 6th round pick. FireGute.com Everyone's just bull****ting pretending they have any idea what was offered. Gute didn't turn down a 4th or 5th round pick. Edited July 26, 2019 by Norm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: They decided this spring that Daniels was not going to put on a Packer helmet ever again, I think this part of the equation is also very flawed for a few reasons. 1) keeping an open mind to a team with daniels on it preserves his value 2) keeping daniels makes this team better, and you have all the way till the trade deadline to work something out in case someone gets desperate. 3) if you think you need cap space to the tune of 8 mil, you had the 4.7 tramon plus 3.6 crosby lever to pull as an alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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