Jlowe22 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dome said: I’ll wait until I watch the All-22 this week before I comment on Saints WRs running free “all day” but I find it odd that the tv broadcast team wasn’t pointing it out, if it was really that obvious. I would also find that odd, considering Saints WRs haven't ran free all day in years. Brees is constantly having to hit tight windows. I'm not necessarily opposed to dinking and dunking. If you can dink and dunk your way down the field into the end zone, which is basically what we've done with Brees the past several years. We don't have the personnel or the prime Brees required to run an explosive offense like we did in 2011, or even 2016. Fortunately for us though, we have excellent personnel for dinking and dunking, and the most accurate QB I've seen. Teddy B is no Brees, we all knew that. He did well enough considering we were playing in the rain at Seattle. I wouldn't expect Brees to have better stats in those conditions. It is hard to watch a QB miss throws though after watching Brees all these years. When people tout Brees' accuracy, they aren't lying. Dude puts it on the money almost every single time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Saint Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Raves said: If after beating the Seahawks, the Saints are worse than 5-3 at the bye then something went wrong big time. There were only 3 games that I considered tough in those 6 games till the bye, Seattle being one of them. Who do you have our 2 additional losses coming to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, Canadian Saint said: Who do you have our 2 additional losses coming to? Dallas and Chicago or Jacksonville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Iowa Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 For any of us to compare Teddy to Brees is just ridiculous, and I really don't think anyone here has, so far. For any of us to NOT compare Teddy to the other QB's in the league is also ridiculous. I'm totally with @SWATcha here. Surprise, surprise. Teddy is below average at this point. Perhaps that will change. For $7 million, I DO expect more. I expect a QB to TRUST the system. Let your $90million receiver go up and make plays. Trust that Ginn WILL come back and catch the low throw. Your tight end should win a jump ball, etc... Teddy didn't throw the ball more that 15 yards downfield, constantly looking for the checkdown, and seemingly doesn't know the routes (after this much time with the team). Here's what I expect out of a "NEW GUY" who has started for a high calibler team, and has been in the league this long I expect he'll be at least as good as Baker Mayfield. But he's not. 13 hours ago, Dome said: So, like almost every backup in the league Teddy can’t win on his own and needs his team to play well cohesively. If you think Teddy sucks after that game, your expectations were simply too high after watching Brees all these years. To put it bluntly: I couldn’t disagree more with your assessment. Lol.... He’s one of the best backups in the league and showed it yesterday. Mayfield was thrust into a starting role. Well, so was Robert Griffin III, and Daniel Jones, and Jacoby Brissett, and Kyler Murray. All of whom are playing better than Bridgewater, who again, has had an entire year to learn the Saints offense, and has played quite poorly in his starts with the Saints. Yet we keep making excuses for Teddy, and we keep saying "well if Brees did this, we wouldn't criticize him" <-- WRONG!!!! Anyone remember "noodle arm" and "past his prime" and all the other crap that's been spewed over the last 3 years. Comparing Brees to Payton Manning just before retirement. Enough!! But we also Cheered for Aaron Brooks for the longest time... so I guess..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I’ll stand by what I’ve already said. hes a backup and one of the better ones in the league. you can say he sucks all you want but one of the best offensive minds in football disagrees. So don’t take my word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mid Iowa said: Yet we keep making excuses for Teddy, and we keep saying "well if Brees did this, we wouldn't criticize him" <-- WRONG!!!! Anyone remember "noodle arm" and "past his prime" and all the other crap that's been spewed over the last 3 years. Never after a 2 touchdown, zero turnover win on the road in the rain did people criticize Brees. Edited September 24, 2019 by Dome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 People say the expectations aren’t too high for Teddy while simultaneously comparing him to multiple high picks who were expected to come in and be the face of a franchise. Teddy was never supposed to be that for us. If you’re making that comparison, you’ve played yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dome said: People say the expectations aren’t too high for Teddy while simultaneously comparing him to multiple high picks who were expected to come in and be the face of a franchise. Teddy was never supposed to be that for us. If you’re making that comparison, you’ve played yourself. He mightnot have been that for us, but he was that for a team in the past. But even then Baker has been struggling this year a little as well and he's got all the toys you could possibly want as a QB. I think it's fair to be more pessimistic about the outlook of the next 5 games, should still be the same expected 3-2 record over those 5 but maybe a little more nerve racking, but it's also not fair to blame it all on Teddy when the weather was bad and our WR/TEs didn't help out a few times as well. Either way we now know that Teddy isn't anything more than a stopgap for us, even if Brees retires and we draft a QB high, the most Teddy should be is the transition guy before we see what we get from the new guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Mid Iowa said: I'm totally with @SWATcha here. Surprise, surprise. Teddy is below average at this point. Wait wait wait.... im fully ready to admit Teddy is a “below average” I mean he’s a backup for Christ’s sake lol Swatcha is saying “he sucks” which IMO is a much harsher criticism than “below average” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Raves said: He mightnot have been that for us, but he was that for a team in the past. That’s fine, but you can’t look at how he panned out for another team and what they gave up and apply that to the Saints expectations of him IMO. I think it’s best too look at everything. Most importantly: What did you give up for him? What did people expect from him at the time? Look at Malcolm Brown. He didn’t pan out for the Patriots, cause he was a first round pick and they considered him a replacement level player. We signed him to a cheaper deal and brought him in to be a reserve and running down specialist. Should we upset that Brown, the former 1st round pick is not a dominant force in the middle for us? 10 minutes ago, Raves said: it's also not fair to blame it all on Teddy when the weather was bad and our WR/TEs didn't help out a few times as well. Agreed. If Brees had a 2 TD/0 INT game in the rain on the road, people wouldn’t be talking about it like it was a bad game even if he wasn’t hitting guys deep. They just wouldn’t. End of story lol Side note: when was Brees last win in the rain and on the road? Quote Either way we now know that Teddy isn't anything more than a stopgap for us, even if Brees retires and we draft a QB high, the most Teddy should be is the transition guy before we see what we get from the new guy. I’ve been saying this since the middle of preseason. Now that other people have caught up, they seem to have gone too far in the “Teddy sucks” direction. Edited September 24, 2019 by Dome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 @Dome My comment about his previous status was more about the fact he had the ability/potential to play at the level expected of those top picks, even if it's been a few years. I know we shouldn't expect it from him etc, just saying that he had been thought of as that once and wasn't too far from living up to it as he was steadily improving. Obviously his injuries and being years removed from meaningful football probably robbed him of most, if any, chance that he will ever reach those heights. I did have a little hope that he might be a little more than a stopgap, able to play at an Alex Smith like level while we found a true heir to the throne but that seems out of the window as well now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Iowa Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) I'm saying for $7million, he should be MUCH MORE than a stop gap. What's Kyle Allen get paid? He's a stop gap that put up 4TD's & 0 int's. I'm not certain I've ever said Bridgewater sucks; however, he has yet to show me that he's anything more that a safe player. BTW, 1 of his TD passes was 100% Kamara being the best running back in the league. The other TD to MT was so easy, Hill made the same play later in the game. Edited September 24, 2019 by Mid Iowa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Iowa Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 52 minutes ago, Dome said: Never after a 2 touchdown, zero turnover win on the road in the rain did people criticize Brees. Never, @Dome ? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mid Iowa said: I'm saying for $7million, he should be MUCH MORE than a stop gap. That’s just an unreal expectation IMO. Maybe 5 years ago. Not in the 2019 NFL. Kirk Cousins $28m Nick Foles $22m Alex Smith $23m Joe Flacco $22m Case Keenum $7.5 Ryan Tannehill $7m Teddy at $7.25m is a fair contract for a stopgap. 15 minutes ago, Mid Iowa said: What's Kyle Allen get paid? He's a stop gap that put up 4TD's & 0 int's. How does what a rookie make matter in this conversation? He’s not on his second contract like Teddy is. Apples to oranges unless you want to say Brees sucks cause Mahomes is making $4m this year It’s also a sample size of exactly one game that you’re talking about. 15 minutes ago, Mid Iowa said: I'm not certain I've ever said Bridgewater sucks; however, he has yet to show me that he's anything more that a safe player. No but swatcha did and you said you were “totally with” him. So it felt like you were saying the same 15 minutes ago, Mid Iowa said: BTW, 1 of his TD passes was 100% Kamara being the best running back in the league. The other TD to MT was so easy, Hill made the same play later in the game. I’m sure Kamara and Thomas would make things easier for any QB we throw in there. Brees included. When Brees gets discredited for making easy passes to Thomas and Kamara I’m sure it pisses you off, right? Now you’re doing it to Teddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, Mid Iowa said: Never, @Dome ? 😉 Not to say “he sucks” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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