dtait93 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, KingTitan said: Give me more Jonnu as a receiving threat. Jonnu’s success probably means we’ll see more Mychole Pruitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 When Delanie comes back, I genuinely believe we will see a spread look with Jonnu, Delanie, Pruitt, Firkser and Henry out wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans fan 617 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, titans0021 said: When Delanie comes back, I genuinely believe we will see a spread look with Jonnu, Delanie, Pruitt, Firkser and Henry out wide. And to make it worse Jonnu Delanie and Firkser will just stand there like they are catching screens and he’ll send Henry and Pruitt deep to change up the look of the 2 man route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragevsuall17 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, titans0021 said: When Delanie comes back, I genuinely believe we will see a spread look with Jonnu, Delanie, Pruitt, Firkser and Henry out wide. That's ridiculous you'd even think that... They need Humphries in there to keep him on the line as a blocker... It's like none of you understand our concepts and design. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, ragevsuall17 said: That's ridiculous you'd even think that... They need Humphries in there to keep him on the line as a blocker... It's like none of you understand our concepts and design. Wouldn't it make more sense just to sub in Humphries for Lewan in that formation though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Chargers fired Whisenhunt. Bring him back as OC. Has HC experience and a lot of success as OC. Obviously nothing going to happen for us mid-season, but we need to do something. Bring him on as an assistant idc lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 Good thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 This is one of the plays we had two tight ends and Henry split out in a spread look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, titans0021 said: Good thread. “Hey, let me take what works and completely destroy it!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2019/10/30/20936943/a-closer-look-at-the-titans-offensive-numbers-against-the-bucs “They deserve credit for converting in the red zone, and I suppose it’s a positive that they stepped up in the clutch, but on that go-ahead drive, the Titans attempted just 11 passes to 1 rush attempt. This stark difference from how they usually conduct their offense was likely motivated by the scoreboard. Funnily enough, this break from their usual tendencies resulted in by far their most successful drive.” Funnily enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei01 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, titans0021 said: https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2019/10/30/20936943/a-closer-look-at-the-titans-offensive-numbers-against-the-bucs “They deserve credit for converting in the red zone, and I suppose it’s a positive that they stepped up in the clutch, but on that go-ahead drive, the Titans attempted just 11 passes to 1 rush attempt. This stark difference from how they usually conduct their offense was likely motivated by the scoreboard. Funnily enough, this break from their usual tendencies resulted in by far their most successful drive.” Funnily enough. Is it really that strange to find that when trailing, teams tend to pass more? The article also does a nice job pointing out that even with several negative runs, rushing on 1st down produced an average of 7.2 yards per attempt. Which is more than a respectable number. Almost high enough to make you want to consider maybe not abandoning the run on 1st down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeluxx3 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 It's just clear as day that Smith hasn't found his groove yet as a playcaller (not that he should've by now...it's been 8 games and he was underqualified for the job to start) he's awful. has to be fired once the season ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, Andrei01 said: Is it really that strange to find that when trailing, teams tend to pass more? The article also does a nice job pointing out that even with several negative runs, rushing on 1st down produced an average of 7.2 yards per attempt. Which is more than a respectable number. Almost high enough to make you want to consider maybe not abandoning the run on 1st down... We had one sustained drive in the game. It was the one where we passed 11 times and ran once. Which shouldn’t be surprising when facing a team with a great run defense and a garbage pass defense. I will happily sacrifice a 30 yard and 15 yard run if it means we aren’t constantly making things harder on every other drive with negative runs and holding penalties. And beyond that, the drive with the first long run ended after a -1 yard run on a first down stalled the drive. The play immediately after the second long run was a -1 yard run. An offense that relies on a running back to get all of his yards after contact is going to kill far more drives than it helps by plowing the back into traffic over and over. This offense doesn’t work. There’s no argument for it working. From points and yards to three and out percentages to sustained and successful drives to yards before contact in the run game to expected completion percentage and average separation in the pass game. Nothing about this offense works. And to change nothing on a weekly basis. To make zero adjustments on a weekly basis. To somehow find a way to have even more tight ends on the field against a terrible pass defense, shows an almost unbelievable amount of incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragevsuall17 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, Andrei01 said: Is it really that strange to find that when trailing, teams tend to pass more? The article also does a nice job pointing out that even with several negative runs, rushing on 1st down produced an average of 7.2 yards per attempt. Which is more than a respectable number. Almost high enough to make you want to consider maybe not abandoning the run on 1st down... Different people have different philosiphies... what's better... consistency or boom/bust? "So while the Titans were only successful on 4 of 11 first-down runs, those four plays averaged 18 yards each and produced 3 first downs." Those 4 runs totaled 72 yards... and the other 7 first down runs totaled 8 yards, and included 4 runs of negative yardage. There was another big run that was brought back due to holding... and that can be argued either way... another would have been successful run... or another run that would have resulted in negative yardage, if not for the hold. When our line sucks as bad as ours... and is not aided by our scheme and formations, it just doesn't make sense to keep trying to run him against stacked boxes, leaving us in unfavorable 2nd down situations a majority of the time (7 of 11 times if these stats are correct). Saw a stat earlier in the week that had Henry at 70+ yards after contact last week. According to https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/derrick-henry/ , Henry is 4th in evaded tackles, 4th in juke rate, 4th in average defenders in the box, 2nd in stacked front carry rate (38.4% of carries against 8+ in the box). That site shows him with 46 yards created last week, not quite at that 70+ mark. But it all just shows that not only do we have a hard time blocking, but we're doing a horrible job of play design and glow of game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei01 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, titans0021 said: We had one sustained drive in the game. It was the one where we passed 11 times and ran once. Which shouldn’t be surprising when facing a team with a great run defense and a garbage pass defense. I will happily sacrifice a 30 yard and 15 yard run if it means we aren’t constantly making things harder on every other drive with negative runs and holding penalties. And beyond that, the drive with the first long run ended after a -1 yard run on a first down stalled the drive. The play immediately after the second long run was a -1 yard run. An offense that relies on a running back to get all of his yards after contact is going to kill far more drives than it helps by plowing the back into traffic over and over. This offense doesn’t work. There’s no argument for it working. From points and yards to three and out percentages to sustained and successful drives to yards before contact in the run game to expected completion percentage and average separation in the pass game. Nothing about this offense works. And to change nothing on a weekly basis. To make zero adjustments on a weekly basis. To somehow find a way to have even more tight ends on the field against a terrible pass defense, shows an almost unbelievable amount of incompetence. And yet the amount of negative runs is virtually equal to that of big runs on 1st down. 4 to 3, which again would've been 4:4 if not for the holding call on Pruitt. So I'm sorry, but especially when there's basically a 50/50 chance of either being in 2nd & 11 or 1st & 10 15+ yards down the field, the moronic thing to do is not take advantage of those odds. I don't know off the top of my head what the average percentage across the league is in deep passes completed down the field, but I bet it's below 50%. And yet you'd have to be a moron to suggest abandoning the deep ball for fear of an incompletion and finding yourself in 2nd & 10. I understand not loving the philisophies this offense is built around or the way it has been run for the majority of time, but if you average 7.2 YPC on 1st down, no way in hell is running on 1st down your biggest issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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