vikingsrule Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 hours ago, swede700 said: I've boycotted it for over 20 years. I think the last one I watched had Vikings' Herschel in it. I think Cris Carter played in the last one I watched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 The way I look at Pro Bowl voting is that it is often just delayed by a year or two. A lot of times a player who has a season like Kendricks had this year isn't noticed for a year or two in the Pro Bowl voting. It ends up evening out though because you often see players making it on name recognition alone after they have started to decline. Kendricks may not make it this year when he really deserves it, but in a few years, he will be voted in when he may not actually deserve it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 11 hours ago, vikingsrule said: I think Cris Carter played in the last one I watched. Pretty sure Alan Page played in the last one I watched! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Uncle Buck said: The way I look at Pro Bowl voting is that it is often just delayed by a year or two. A lot of times a player who has a season like Kendricks had this year isn't noticed for a year or two in the Pro Bowl voting. It ends up evening out though because you often see players making it on name recognition alone after they have started to decline. Kendricks may not make it this year when he really deserves it, but in a few years, he will be voted in when he may not actually deserve it. It should be noted that it took nearly a decade for Antoine Winfield to make the Pro Bowl. That tells you everything you need to know about the quality of the Pro Bowl selection process (I know it's changed somewhat, but it's still not any good). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, swede700 said: It should be noted that it took nearly a decade for Antoine Winfield to make the Pro Bowl. That tells you everything you need to know about the quality of the Pro Bowl selection process (I know it's changed somewhat, but it's still not any good). Although I liked Antoine as a player, I never considered him to be a Pro Bowl caliber player. He was a great tackler, but it just seemed like he seldom made any plays on the ball to get the INT. It always just seemed like he would wait until the guy he was guarding made the catch and then he tackled him. It never bothered me all that much that he didn't make the Pro Bowl because of that. Maybe I'm wrong about him, but that was my perception of the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: Although I liked Antoine as a player, I never considered him to be a Pro Bowl caliber player. He was a great tackler, but it just seemed like he seldom made any plays on the ball to get the INT. It always just seemed like he would wait until the guy he was guarding made the catch and then he tackled him. It never bothered me all that much that he didn't make the Pro Bowl because of that. Maybe I'm wrong about him, but that was my perception of the guy. That was because that's what the Cover-2 (Tampa 2) defense is designed to do. Antoine did that because that was what he was supposed to do. It's why it frustrated so many of us. And even so, he was always good for a couple of ints every year. If you were expecting him to be Champ Bailey or Darrelle Revis, no he was not that...but he was a Pro Bowl level CB long before he got there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, swede700 said: That was because that's what the Cover-2 (Tampa 2) defense is designed to do. Antoine did that because that was what he was supposed to do. It's why it frustrated so many of us. And even so, he was always good for a couple of ints every year. If you were expecting him to be Champ Bailey or Darrelle Revis, no he was not that...but he was a Pro Bowl level CB long before he got there. I guess I'll take your word on that. It just seemed like it had been decades since we had a great cornerback before Mike Zimmer got here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: I guess I'll take your word on that. It just seemed like it had been decades since we had a great cornerback before Mike Zimmer got here. They've gotten better overall CB play since Zimmer has been here, but I think I could still make the argument that Winfield is the best Vikings' CB in the last 30 years, if not the entire history of the franchise. It just depends upon whether you would say that Carl Lee or Bobby Bryant might have been better. I personally wouldn't, but I'm sure there are people that would feel that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Rhodes had the highest peak of any Vikings CB I can remember, but Winfield definitely had the best career for a Vikings CB. Winfield should have been to at least one more pro bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, swede700 said: They've gotten better overall CB play since Zimmer has been here, but I think I could still make the argument that Winfield is the best Vikings' CB in the last 30 years, if not the entire history of the franchise. It just depends upon whether you would say that Carl Lee or Bobby Bryant might have been better. I personally wouldn't, but I'm sure there are people that would feel that way. I guess it depends on how you define "best". IMO, Xavier Rhodes was considerably better than Winfield. Rhodes shut down guys like Megatron and Julio Jones. If Antoine had tried to guard receivers of that size and ability, it would have looked like a 7th grader trying to play basketball 1-on-1 with his brother who is a senior in high school. Edited December 19, 2019 by Uncle Buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeydudemanG Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 11:38 AM, JDBrocks said: Rhodes had the highest peak of any Vikings CB I can remember, but Winfield definitely had the best career for a Vikings CB. Winfield should have been to at least one more pro bowl. It would be so nice to draft Antoine Winfield Jr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 14 hours ago, HeydudemanG said: It would be so nice to draft Antoine Winfield Jr. We'll have to make sure Winfield Jr makes up for his dad's absence!😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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