BullsandBroncos Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Fair enough but he's not the same style of fighter in the cage as the guys notoriously are from there. Regardless, we won't truly know until he has a 3 round war but I don't have any reason to believe he'll dump. Maybe his highly aggressive style will lead to an adrenaline dump at some point but we have little reason to believe that. Could also lead him to getting caught (unlikely because even the elite strikers of the division aren't as good as the good ones in LW like Dustin, Dan, Justin, Chucky Olives, etc). Usman and Burn's best chances are late in the fight if they can out last and keep him at a distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big poppa pump Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, BullsandBroncos said: Could also lead him to getting caught (unlikely because even the elite strikers of the division aren't as good as the good ones in LW like Dustin, Dan, Justin, Chucky Olives, etc). Usman and Burn's best chances are late in the fight if they can out last and keep him at a distance. imo Burns will have to sub him, and Usman will have to outpoint him, or catch him with something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, big poppa pump said: imo Burns will have to sub him, and Usman will have to outpoint him, or catch him with something. Agreed. Burns has the power to catch him but I don't know about his marksmanship. His best chance is a sub since he's got the best BJJ at 170. Usman's chances of catching him are about even with burns. Don't think Usman can get a sub since he hasn't shown anything there in his career and for all we know, was gifted his black belt. But unlikely given the reputation of last gym and their BJJ guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Didn't know anything about Brady except he was a favorite v Chiesa, didn't expect him to grapple Michael so much. And he is easily winning too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: Didn't know anything about Brady except he was a favorite v Chiesa, didn't expect him to grapple Michael so much. And he is easily winning too Chiesa lit him up in the standup in the 3rd, Brady dominated the grappling. Not what I expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 DC begging Brady to call someone out lmao, he looked at his coach like what is he doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 haven't seen a deeper oil check in wmma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckrock101 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Brady's grappling is really next level. he was just a step ahead of Chiesa. What I worry about is he's kinda short for the division, and it looks like against longer strikers he'll have trouble, as he did on the feet against Chiesa. still, another fascinating contender in the 170 division. interested to see who he fights next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Burns is the toughest matchup for Chimaev (pre Usman) because he is a very competent striker who will be incredibly hard to take down (and won't be terrible off his back if it happens). It's basically the toughest matchup they could make, stylistically, and it will tell us a lot. What I DON'T understand, is people saying that Burns path to victory is a sub. This is along the same flawed thinking that Oliveira is a tough matchup for Islam. Islam is an absolutely NIGHTMARE match for Chucky Olives and the idea that OIiveira has a chance to catch him off his back is a joke. Both of these dudes certainly have paths to victory and they are both via KO/TKO. The idea of letting these Dagestani dudes take you down and trying to play the BJJ game off your back is absolutely insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Buckrock101 said: Brady's grappling is really next level. he was just a step ahead of Chiesa. What I worry about is he's kinda short for the division, and it looks like against longer strikers he'll have trouble, as he did on the feet against Chiesa. still, another fascinating contender in the 170 division. interested to see who he fights next. Yea its crazy: 1. How much smaller he looked 2. How the heck Chiesa made 155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Soggust said: Burns is the toughest matchup for Chimaev (pre Usman) because he is a very competent striker who will be incredibly hard to take down (and won't be terrible off his back if it happens). It's basically the toughest matchup they could make, stylistically, and it will tell us a lot. What I DON'T understand, is people saying that Burns path to victory is a sub. This is along the same flawed thinking that Oliveira is a tough matchup for Islam. Islam is an absolutely NIGHTMARE match for Chucky Olives and the idea that OIiveira has a chance to catch him off his back is a joke. Both of these dudes certainly have paths to victory and they are both via KO/TKO. The idea of letting these Dagestani dudes take you down and trying to play the BJJ game off your back is absolutely insane. I dont think his only path is a sub, he is a high level MMA fighter. Should be very interesting no matter where the fight goes As for the bolded, who is saying they should let them be taken down?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: I dont think his only path is a sub, he is a high level MMA fighter. Should be very interesting no matter where the fight goes As for the bolded, who is saying they should let them be taken down?... Are you thinking either Oliveira or Burns is going to take down Islam/Khamzat? Because otherwise I'm not seeing how they sub them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Soggust said: Are you thinking either Oliveira or Burns is going to take down Islam/Khamzat? Because otherwise I'm not seeing how they sub them? ? No not at all, they will likely keep it standing until the fight goes to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 8 hours ago, Soggust said: Are you thinking either Oliveira or Burns is going to take down Islam/Khamzat? Because otherwise I'm not seeing how they sub them? Ahh the guy with over 20 subs in the UFC who is also the submissions record holder has no chance of subbing Islam? That's an odd take. I didn't say he'd let him take him down or anything like that. jiu jitsu isn't just working off your back. you don't give Burns' and Olives' ground game enough respect at all. Gleison Tibau was never taken down Khabib, and out struck him. Olives and Burns are 10x the grappler that he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 30 minutes ago, BullsandBroncos said: Ahh the guy with over 20 subs in the UFC who is also the submissions record holder has no chance of subbing Islam? That's an odd take. I didn't say he'd let him take him down or anything like that. jiu jitsu isn't just working off your back. you don't give Burns' and Olives' ground game enough respect at all. Gleison Tibau was never taken down Khabib, and out struck him. Olives and Burns are 10x the grappler that he is. Then what's the answer? If he's not going to take Islam down and he's not going to work off his back, how's he going to sub him lol? A flash KO followed by jumping his back? Mayyyybeee, but that's kind of my point -> the path to victory is from the standup not the ground game. My point being BJJ isn't going to beat wrestling here. These dudes are too good and too aware. The path to beating the Russians is anti-wrestling and striking (Colby/Usman/Burns come to mind). The idea is to keep it standing and catch them on the feet. Olives is great, but if Felder sat in his guard, I don't see Islam changing his strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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