Per Mike Clay, who? Redskins will select #1 overall in 2021 draft

[turtle28]

 

[lavar703]

Cool I guess. That would almost positively spell the end of the Haskins era. The pick would probably be Lawrence. 

[turtle28]

I don’t see how the Redskins are worse than last year. Better coaching, more of a ground control offense w/ Rivera & Turner. 
 

By far better defensive coaching, better talent on defense (Chase Young to start with) and an easier defensive scheme to learn. The 4-3 is simpler than the 3-4.

[PARROTHEAD]

So if Chase was traded. We could have had picks 1 and 2 or 1 and 4 since those were the 2 teams talked about in trading most.

Im not going to doubt it could happen. Because were the Redskins.

Edited May 5, 2020 by PARROTHEAD

[turtle28]

1 minute ago, PARROTHEAD said:

So if we Chase was traded. We could have had picks 1 and 2 or 1 and 4 since those were the 2 teams talked about in trading most.

Im not going to doubt it could happen. Because were the Redskins.

I don't follow

[naptownskinsfan]

Thinking we can't be on the level or worse than last year is really foolish.  

This is year one of a rebuild.  This rebuild is going to take two seasons before we are poised to chase .500.  We aren't close to talking about "retooling" like some of the consistent winners over the past decade do. The quarterback is still growing but has always faced questions on whether he could be the guy.  The Redskins took Haskins knowing he was a project, and Rivera has no loyalty to him.  There are more question marks than not at running back.  Wide receiver has good depth and some explosive athletic talent.  The offensive line in 2022 could have all different starters than what we start this season if players don't progress the way they should and a few players might age out.

On defense?  The defensive line will be elite, and the strength of the defense.  Our linebackers group are a bunch of JAGs for the most part.  I'm not sure an elite group like the Ravens or Patriots would have many of our guys on their team as backups.  Our highest paid defender is a box safety, and three projected starting defensive backs are on one year contracts.  

We are drastically overrating the talent on this roster, and thinking that scheme changes such as zone-blocking and going back to the 4-3 are easy changes that are going to result in immediate results.  They aren't.  Football players are still football players.  Changing those kinds of things change their habits, change their responsibilities, heck, may even change how they work out and what body type they need to have.  There is a reason no team has done better than 20th overall since 2000 (at least) when changing defensive fronts.  On offense, it usually hurts the running game- we dropped .5 YPC when we switched from zone-blocking to power blocking when Gruden/Callahan came on board. 

We absolutely need to evaluate what's here on the roster.  But let's be real, this was a sub .400 team overall under Bruce Allen, with the wheels falling off the wagon last season.  There needs to be a transition year because of how bad things were with how things were run as Club Jay and Club Bruce. As I said in the prediction thread, we are looking at 2-5 wins, and the upper side of that number is going to be based largely on Dwayne Haskins improving from the end of last season.  If he regresses from last season, we're looking at drafting Sunshine.  

Until we get on the field and Haskins has shown he is progressing forward, the Redskins will continue to be a trendy pick to select #1 overall next draft. 

[turtle28]

@naptownskinsfan Anything is possible, we could finish worst in the league, but I don’t see it. Last year we had an incredible amount of dysfunction all season which hurt our team and we still almost won 5 or 6 games. We were rooting for them to not win several games at the end of the year that they almost won and if Peterson had started week 1 and Keenum was better in the second half vs Phila in week 1, we probably win that game even w/ our D underperforming in the second half vs Phila.

We don’t have the dysfunction and we have better leadership and coaching. Our 4-3 scheme will also be simpler for the players to execute than the 3-4. The Jags, at least in paper have less talent than us. I also think you need to check out the Pats defensive depth chart, a lot of our starters would start on that D.  Our entire starting DL & maybe Settle would start over their starters since they are switching back to the 3-4. Our top 3 edge rushers are better than theirs, and Anderson is arguably better than their second best edge rusher. I also think Thomas Davis, Holcomb and SDH would start at WILB for them over their current starter there. Our top 3 corners are better than their #3 corner, but we don’t have an elite corner like Gilmore, and for sure Landon Collins would start over the coke dealer Patrick Chung. In fact, Collins would be the starting SS on both the Pats and Ravens Ds. Our edge rushers are better than Jaylon Ferguson of the Ravens too. 

Haskins is surely the key, but if he’s average, meaning 3200 yds passing 20 TDs and 15 or less ints, I think we win 5 games and we may win even more if Haskins is above average.

Edited May 5, 2020 by turtle28

[MikeT14]

a) A lot of people are predicting us to finish last or very near last in their early predictions. Power rankings consistently have us at 30/31. 

b) in the early predictions thread, we're mostly saying we are a 4-12 to 6-10 team. In the offseason. Where there is hope. That is not good.

c) Having a new organization and style isn't a good thing always, as it needs time to adjust. 

d) Dwayne might suck. We don't know yet.

[TOUCAN]

29 minutes ago, MikeT14 said:

a) A lot of people are predicting us to finish last or very near last in their early predictions. Power rankings consistently have us at 30/31. 

b) in the early predictions thread, we're mostly saying we are a 4-12 to 6-10 team. In the offseason. Where there is hope. That is not good.

c) Having a new organization and style isn't a good thing always, as it needs time to adjust. 

d) Dwayne might suck. We don't know yet.

What if Dwayne is actually good though, like, a good QB? That really shakes the world up a bit, no?

[MikeT14]

20 minutes ago, JoshstraDaymus said:

What if Dwayne is actually good though, like, a good QB? That really shakes the world up a bit, no?

Of course.

[TOUCAN]

9 minutes ago, MikeT14 said:

Of course.

Here's whats interesting

Is being aggressively average in this case the absolute worst case scenario? I mean that seriously.

If he's 'meh' then we're hitching to him a bit longer. If he's bad, we move on to a top talent. If he's good, we are set.

[turtle28]

1 hour ago, JoshstraDaymus said:

What if Dwayne is actually good though, like, a good QB? That really shakes the world up a bit, no?

For sure, but that’s the unknown. What gets me is his reason for the Redskins having the 1st overall pick and worst record in the league.

What’s hilarious is that his entire analysis is based off of “projection,” but his reason for the Redskins front 7 not being much better is based upon, “they haven’t proven it!” Huh?

[Skins212689]

9 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said:

Thinking we can't be on the level or worse than last year is really foolish.  

This is year one of a rebuild.  This rebuild is going to take two seasons before we are poised to chase .500.  We aren't close to talking about "retooling" like some of the consistent winners over the past decade do. The quarterback is still growing but has always faced questions on whether he could be the guy.  The Redskins took Haskins knowing he was a project, and Rivera has no loyalty to him.  There are more question marks than not at running back.  Wide receiver has good depth and some explosive athletic talent.  The offensive line in 2022 could have all different starters than what we start this season if players don't progress the way they should and a few players might age out.

On defense?  The defensive line will be elite, and the strength of the defense.  Our linebackers group are a bunch of JAGs for the most part.  I'm not sure an elite group like the Ravens or Patriots would have many of our guys on their team as backups.  Our highest paid defender is a box safety, and three projected starting defensive backs are on one year contracts.  

We are drastically overrating the talent on this roster, and thinking that scheme changes such as zone-blocking and going back to the 4-3 are easy changes that are going to result in immediate results.  They aren't.  Football players are still football players.  Changing those kinds of things change their habits, change their responsibilities, heck, may even change how they work out and what body type they need to have.  There is a reason no team has done better than 20th overall since 2000 (at least) when changing defensive fronts.  On offense, it usually hurts the running game- we dropped .5 YPC when we switched from zone-blocking to power blocking when Gruden/Callahan came on board. 

We absolutely need to evaluate what's here on the roster.  But let's be real, this was a sub .400 team overall under Bruce Allen, with the wheels falling off the wagon last season.  There needs to be a transition year because of how bad things were with how things were run as Club Jay and Club Bruce. As I said in the prediction thread, we are looking at 2-5 wins, and the upper side of that number is going to be based largely on Dwayne Haskins improving from the end of last season.  If he regresses from last season, we're looking at drafting Sunshine.  

Until we get on the field and Haskins has shown he is progressing forward, the Redskins will continue to be a trendy pick to select #1 overall next draft. 

Blame Haskins while not giving him proven pieces. How is Haskins getting a Fair Shot to display his talent with unproven talent? Who else gets replaced if Your suggesting drafting Lawrence to replace Haskins? Also does Field's get considered as well? 

The only proven players in the Redskins Starting Lineup are Moses, Peterson, Scherff, and Roulier. Scherff and Roulier with no more than 5 years expericence. Yet Haskins would be the only one to blame in some minds. Instead of continuing to build around him. Starting with drafting Sewell out of Oregon. 

[turtle28]

Here’s what we have to remember and keep in perspective, the 49ers were 2-14 in 2018, no one projected they’d go to the playoffs, let  alone the Super Bowl mainly bc of the division they are in w/ the Rams who had just been to the Super Bowl and the Seahawks w/ Russell Wilson & Pete Carroll’s defense.

So, people should keep an open mind and not a closed mind about the Redskins improving.

Our projected O talent is better than the 49ers last year before the season except for Kittle and the flashes Garapolo had shown before he tore his ACL but him coming back from a torn ACL last year & how he would be was a major question mark. 
 

Our D & the 49ers D talent match up pretty equal value where they thought they were before the 2019 season and where we are now. The only difference there being they have Richard Sherman - we don’t have a CB on that level - but we have Landon Collins who is the best S on either team.

[turtle28]

2 minutes ago, Skins212689 said:

Blame Haskins while not giving him proven pieces. How is Haskins getting a Fair Shot to display his talent with unproven talent? Who else gets replaced if Your suggesting drafting Lawrence to replace Haskins? Also does Field's get considered as well? 

The only proven players in the Redskins Starting Lineup are Moses, Peterson, Scherff, and Roulier. Scherff and Roulier with no more than 5 years expericence. Yet Haskins would be the only one to blame in some minds. Instead of continuing to build around him. Starting with drafting Sewell out of Oregon. 

I’d say Terry is at least proven he can play, hard to predict him taking a huge step back but outside of that, I agree here.