Kirill Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, rthom348 said: Aaron would be 16-0 with that chiefs team (jk but I'd comfortably give him 15-1 with that team). Aaron has a clean pocket to throw from and an easier SOS and still has 3 losses. Mahomes is 15-1 against a tougher schedule and having to throw off of his back foot every snap due to a trash OL. Edited December 28, 2020 by Kirill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 5:41 PM, incognito_man said: So if you think it will be "akin" to a preseason game, but also think they will play the game "as usual" and that the bye "doesn't enter into game planning", are you saying the Chiefs plan every regular season game like a pre-season game? It did prove to be akin to a preseason game. The WR3 and WR4 both played over 60% of the snaps. The RB3 played 70%. On defense, the two star DL only played about 70%, while six other DL all played from 37%-49%. An UDFA LB, freshly activated for the first time, had 15% of the snaps. This was in a close game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, onejayhawk said: It did prove to be akin to a preseason game. The WR3 and WR4 both played over 60% of the snaps. The RB3 played 70%. On defense, the two star DL only played about 70%, while six other DL all played from 37%-49%. An UDFA LB, freshly activated for the first time, had 15% of the snaps. This was in a close game. Chris Jones plays 70% of the snaps every week. Robinson plays over half the snaps every week. Darrell Williams was the starting RB, no matter what anyone thinks about Bell. Cobb had snaps because we had three LBs injured. Wharton, Okafor, Nnadi, etc., all always play about 40% of the snaps. DL rotations are normal. The only even kind of noteworthy things in the snap counts you list are Hardman seeing more snaps than he has in recent weeks, but that's likely just a gameplan thing since Atlanta was known for struggling against the deep ball. Stop making this argument. It's just bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: Chris Jones plays 70% of the snaps every week. Robinson plays over half the snaps every week. Darrell Williams was the starting RB, no matter what anyone thinks about Bell. Cobb had snaps because we had three LBs injured. Wharton, Okafor, Nnadi, etc., all always play about 40% of the snaps. DL rotations are normal. The only even kind of noteworthy things in the snap counts you list are Hardman seeing more snaps than he has in recent weeks, but that's likely just a gameplan thing since Atlanta was known for struggling against the deep ball. Stop making this argument. It's just bad. Sorry, but this does not hold water. Yes, Jones and Clark played close to their usual amount. No, Wharton, TK, Okafor, Nnadi, Pennel, and Danna do not always play about 40%. Typically four of them will cover almost all the snaps, while the others are below 20%. You say Williams was the starting RB as if that were normal, but it's not. Robinson will occasionally play half the snaps, but not this much. Hardman has been around 30%, so he doubled his usual usage. If Atlanta struggles with the deep ball, why reduced snaps for Hill and Watkins? This was a close, hard fought game, but the staff still played the bench much more than usual. The one thing I agree about is that this was in the game plan. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: It did prove to be akin to a preseason game. The WR3 and WR4 both played over 60% of the snaps. The RB3 played 70%. On defense, the two star DL only played about 70%, while six other DL all played from 37%-49%. An UDFA LB, freshly activated for the first time, had 15% of the snaps. This was in a close game. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: No, Wharton, TK, Okafor, Nnadi, Pennel, and Danna do not always play about 40%. Typically four of them will cover almost all the snaps, while the others are below 20%. Wharton's snap counts the past 4 weeks: 39%, 57%, 53%, 49% Kpass: 41%, 60%, 51%, 47% Okafor: 48%, 53%, 55%, 47% Nnadi: 53%, 34%, 47%, 43% Danna: 32%, 39%, 24%, 38% Pennel: 38%, 31%, 29%, 37% Literally every guy was right within their averages of the last month or so. No one was ever, as you say, below 20%. Literally no guy ever hit below 20% in snap count in the past month. Maybe there were examples of that when Okafor and Danna were on IR, or Charlton was still stealing snaps, but this is 100% the norm for what we've been doing with this group on the DL, for over a month. 17 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: You say Williams was the starting RB as if that were normal, but it's not. Yeah, normally we have a guy named CEH. Bell took his normal snap count, about 30% of the offense's plays (7 weeks, he's had a snap count within 5% of 30%.) That's what he's had for like 2 months. Williams took the starting snaps from CEH. They clearly trust him more still, at this point, for better or worse. 17 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: Robinson will occasionally play half the snaps, but not this much. Robinson's snap counts since Watkins came back in week 12: 72%, 58%, 53%, 51%, 61% Again, well within his normal ranges. 17 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: If Atlanta struggles with the deep ball, why reduced snaps for Hill and Watkins? Watkins didn't have a reduced snap count. He hit 76%. Every game he's been healthy this year, he's been somewhere between 72% and 87%. He never sees every snap. Always gets more than 70% Hill was a little low, but that normally has to do with what we have him running. He often sits for a snap or two if we have him run a deep route or two full speed in short succession. Could also be they just like what they've seen from Hardman in practice in recent weeks. Either way, that does not translate to a preseason style approach, anyway. Just a coaching decision, or a guy needing rest. Look, you may a bad post, stop doubling down on it. You're just stating misinformation at this point, because you're either not looking it up, or hoping that no one else will. You are objectively wrong here, and continuing to restate the same incorrect claim is just a bad look. (Note: Everywhere I list snap counts, the last listed percentage is what they played against Atlanta) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJaxxenGuy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 54 minutes ago, Kirill said: Aaron has a clean pocket to throw from and an easier SOS and still has 3 losses. Mahomes is 15-1 against a tougher schedule and having to throw off of his back foot every snap due to a trash OL. Schroedinger's Chiefs (citing Chiefs fans): Every Chiefs player is bad when it is time to talk up Patrick Mahomes, but the Chiefs are also by far the best team in the league and will easily win the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 If they dock Mahomes cause he sits out the final week thats such BS. Don't dock the guy cause he locked in the bye week before the final week and earned his guys an extra week off. They want to give it to Aaron Rodgers so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Kip Smithers said: Depends on what stats you base it on. The basic and standard stats Rodgers edges it. Advanced metrics Mahomes edges it from what I’ve seen. What advanced metrics? Almost all advanced metrics like EPA on nfl.com have Rodgera far ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said: Schroedinger's Chiefs (citing Chiefs fans): Every Chiefs player is bad when it is time to talk up Patrick Mahomes, but the Chiefs are also by far the best team in the league and will easily win the Super Bowl. Actually, Kirill has been quite consistent, on this point. I know it's the fun thing to rag on him right now, but as far as KC's supporting cast, Kirill is (mostly) right. The OL has been horrible. Ask anyone in the KC forum. The weapons are fantastic (though Kirill drastically overrates CEH.) And everyone has been pretty aligned on this in KC fandom all year. Most of us want like 2 or 3 draft picks on the OL this coming offseason. I actually don't think you'll find many Chiefs fans outside Kirill that think we'll easily win the superbowl, though. That's been far more of a media narrative than a fan one. We're obviously a great team, but any great team is also obviously very beatable. Many of us have been pretty uncomfortable with the team's consistency, issues on the OL, the pass rush, etc. It's really just the talking heads propping us up as unbeatable, for some reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kirill said: If they dock Mahomes cause he sits out the final week thats such BS. Don't dock the guy cause he locked in the bye week before the final week and earned his guys an extra week off. They want to give it to Aaron Rodgers so bad. He's not going to be docked because he misses week 17, he's going to be docked because since like week 13, Rodgers has objectively played better football. Better enough to erase how garbage he was against Tampa, which was really the only thing holding Mahomes over him prior to that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee & Contemplation Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kirill said: If they dock Mahomes cause he sits out the final week thats such BS. Don't dock the guy cause he locked in the bye week before the final week and earned his guys an extra week off. They want to give it to Aaron Rodgers so bad. Mahomes is the current and future face of the league; Mahomes succeeding is good for the league. And for what it's worth, Rodgers sat out the last game in 2011 and still won it despite Brees playing and throwing 5 TDs in the final regular season game. But this year, just like 2011, Rodgers will be better and will win the award anyway. Edited December 28, 2020 by Coffee & Contemplation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJaxxenGuy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kirill said: If they dock Mahomes cause he sits out the final week thats such BS. Don't dock the guy cause he locked in the bye week before the final week and earned his guys an extra week off. They want to give it to Aaron Rodgers so bad. "They" want to give it to Aaron Rodgers because he has been the Most Valuable Player this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, ThatJaxxenGuy said: "They" want to give it to Aaron Rodgers because he has been the Most Valuable Player this year. No, he hasn't. Mahomes earned his team two more wins, the playoff bye and an extra week off to spare behind a far worse offensive line that has been playing musical chairs with scrubs every single week since the start of the season. Taking the MVP trophy away from Mahomes and giving it to Rodgers over something like 1 or 2 INT would be incredibly petty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee & Contemplation Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) Lol you keep saying " taking the trophy away" and "stealing the trophy away." As if Mahomes has actually already won it, and it is in his possession. This is "Stop the count" level. I can't even. You do you. You live in that world. Edited December 28, 2020 by Coffee & Contemplation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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