Soko Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 51 minutes ago, HerbertGOAT said: It's pretty clear that he and Gronk benefitted from each other a lot. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/tom-brady-stats-with-and-without-rob-gronkowski For reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/tom-brady-stats-with-and-without-rob-gronkowski For reference. Those stats are a bunch of crock. It claims Brady only played "48 games" without Gronk. Yeah. Right. Ok. Because in reality Gronk wasn't drafted until 2010 and you're trying to tell me Tom Brady only played "48 games" without Gronk? What a bunch of crock dude. Because from 2000-2009 Tom Brady played 129 games with 127 starts before "Gronk" ever existed 🤭😆🤭 And from 2000 throughout 2009 (without "Gronk") Tom Brady actually went... Tom Brady 2000-2009: 129 games (127 starts). 97-30 overall (.763%). 2,672/4,218 (63.3%). 30,844 Passing Yards. 225 TDs/99 INTs. QB Rating of 93.3. (and retired with a career QB Rating of 97.6). 3 SB Championships. Nice try dude 🤭😆🤭. Yeah. Right. Tom Brady really "needed" Rob Gronkowski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 hours ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Those stats are a bunch of crock. It claims Brady only played "48 games" without Gronk. Yeah. Right. Ok. I mean, those are clearly games played post-Gronk being drafted in the league, lol. I’ll try this one more time in an attempt to get coherent thought out of you instead of regurgitation: what did Brady do specifically on the football field that “made Gronk”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 16 hours ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: QB Rating of 93.3. (and retired with a career QB Rating of 97.6). So, after getting Gronkowski, his passing inflated so much to the point where his passer rating increased by a very noticeable margin with Gronk. Seems like Gronk helped Brady a teeny bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, HerbertGOAT said: So, after getting Gronkowski, his passing inflated so much to the point where his passer rating increased by a very noticeable margin with Gronk. Seems like Gronk helped Brady a teeny bit. 97.6 - 93.3 = 4.3. That is a tiny increase. Have you ever seen a QB with a QB Rating of only 4.3? It stinks. 🤭😆🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: 97.6 - 93.3 = 4.3. That is a tiny increase. Have you ever seen a QB with a QB Rating of only 4.3? It stinks. 🤭😆🤭 4.3 is the difference between the Passer Rating of Derek Carr and Peyton Manning, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, HerbertGOAT said: 4.3 is the difference between the Passer Rating of Derek Carr and Peyton Manning, by the way. QB Rating is often overrated. Derek Carr has a higher career QB Rating than Joe Montana. Should I now tell my 10 year old daughter to go to school telling all of her friends that Carr is a better QB than Joe Montana? 🤭😆🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: QB Rating is often overrated. Derek Carr has a higher career QB Rating than Joe Montana. Should I now tell my 10 year old daughter to go to school telling all of her friends that Carr is a better QB than Joe Montana? 🤭😆🤭 No, because they played 30+ years apart from each other. Different eras. However Tom Brady without Gronk, and Tom Brady with Gronk are in the same era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, HerbertGOAT said: No, because they played 30+ years apart from each other. Different eras. However Tom Brady without Gronk, and Tom Brady with Gronk are in the same era. Yup. Same era. And Tom Brady from 2000-2009 (before Gronk went)... 97-30 overall (.763%). 2,672/4,218 (63.3%). 30,844 Passing Yards. 225 TDs/99 INTs. QB Rating of 93.3. 3x SB Champion. Tony Gonzalez. Antonio Gates. Shannon Sharpe. Travis Kelce. George Kittle. I like these 5 TEs more than Gronkowski but I'd take Gronk right after these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Yup. Same era. And Tom Brady from 2000-2009 (before Gronk went)... 97-30 overall (.763%). 2,672/4,218 (63.3%). 30,844 Passing Yards. 225 TDs/99 INTs. QB Rating of 93.3. 3x SB Champion. Tony Gonzalez. Antonio Gates. Shannon Sharpe. Travis Kelce. George Kittle. I like these 5 TEs more than Gronkowski but I'd take Gronk right after these guys. Yes. Brady was good without Gronk. He was much better WITH Gronk. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/tom-brady-stats-with-rob-gronkowski Case in point. 110-31 (.7801%) record 3,469/5,255 (66%) 10,000+ more yards 91 more TDs 24 fewer INTs QB Rating of 103.8 4x Super Bowl Champion. Tom Brady quite literally did NOTHING better without Gronk. Edited February 18, 2022 by HerbertGOAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 50 minutes ago, HerbertGOAT said: Yes. Brady was good without Gronk. He was much better WITH Gronk. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/tom-brady-stats-with-rob-gronkowski Case in point. 110-31 (.7801%) record 3,469/5,255 (66%) 10,000+ more yards 91 more TDs 24 fewer INTs QB Rating of 103.8 4x Super Bowl Champion. Tom Brady quite literally did NOTHING better without Gronk. You're forgetting how in... 2012 Tom Brady went 4-1 without Gronk. 2013 Tom Brady went 7-2 without Gronk. 2014 Tom Brady went 0-1 without Gronk. 2015 Tom Brady went 0-1 without Gronk. 2016 Tom Brady went 8-0 without Gronk. 2017 Tom Brady went 1-1 without Gronk. 2018 Tom Brady went 2-1 without Gronk. 2019 Tom Brady went 12-4 without Gronk. 2021 Tom Brady went 4-1 without Gronk (Buccaneers). Since Gronkowski has been drafted Tom Brady has gone 38-12 without Gronk (.760%). If you think Tom Brady needed Gronk to win you're mistaken because 3 SBs before Gronk were ever drafted completely says otherwise. Let's see if Gronk isn't a Football coward and stays with Tampa Bay and plays alongside of Kyle Trask. And then we'll see how good Gronk truly is (because he's already talking up Joe Burrow and how he'd love to play for Cincinnati because of him (if he doesn't retire). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: You're forgetting how in... 2012 Tom Brady went 4-1 without Gronk. 2013 Tom Brady went 7-2 without Gronk. 2014 Tom Brady went 0-1 without Gronk. 2015 Tom Brady went 0-1 without Gronk. 2016 Tom Brady went 8-0 without Gronk. 2017 Tom Brady went 1-1 without Gronk. 2018 Tom Brady went 2-1 without Gronk. 2019 Tom Brady went 12-4 without Gronk. 2021 Tom Brady went 4-1 without Gronk (Buccaneers). Since Gronkowski has been drafted Tom Brady has gone 38-12 without Gronk (.760%). If you think Tom Brady needed Gronk to win you're mistaken because 3 SBs before Gronk were ever drafted completely says otherwise. Let's see if Gronk isn't a Football coward and stays with Tampa Bay and plays alongside of Kyle Trask. And then we'll see how good Gronk truly is (because he's already talking up Joe Burrow and how he'd love to play for Cincinnati because of him (if he doesn't retire). Well wins aren't a QB stat actually. And I'm not saying Tom needed Gronk to win, that wasn't ever in doubt. I'm simply saying that maybe the biggest physical freak ever seen at the TE position didn't "need" Tom Brady to be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, HerbertGOAT said: Well wins aren't a QB stat actually. And I'm not saying Tom needed Gronk to win, that wasn't ever in doubt. I'm simply saying that maybe the biggest physical freak ever seen at the TE position didn't "need" Tom Brady to be successful. We'll see next year (if he doesn't hide into retirement due to no more Tom Brady). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) On 2/15/2022 at 9:10 PM, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Because in 2016 during Brady's suspension Rob Gronkowski only combined for only 1 catch and only 11 yards and 0 TDs during his two games without Tom Brady 😆🤭😆. Tom Brady was already a proven 3x SB Champion + Pro Bowl + All-Pro QB throughout 2001-2009 before Gronk was ever even drafted 2010 and I know; because I'm a Jets fan and watched Brady in 2007 go 16-0 with 4,806 Passing Yards, 50 TDs/8 INTs and a QB Rating of 117.2 and all while Rob Gronkowski was only 17 years old and still in High School dude 😆 While Brady may not have had Gronk during that 2007 season, he did have that Randy Moss guy, you might have heard of him. 8 hours ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: 97.6 - 93.3 = 4.3. That is a tiny increase. Have you ever seen a QB with a QB Rating of only 4.3? It stinks. 🤭😆🤭 That's not how passer rating works. A passer rating of 42.2 also stinks, but 42.2 also the difference between the top of the league this season, Rodgers, and the bottom, Zach Wilson. 5 hours ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: QB Rating is often overrated. Derek Carr has a higher career QB Rating than Joe Montana. Should I now tell my 10 year old daughter to go to school telling all of her friends that Carr is a better QB than Joe Montana? 🤭😆🤭 Aren't you the same guy who claims that Stafford is better than Elway? 4 hours ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Tony Gonzalez. Antonio Gates. Shannon Sharpe. Travis Kelce. George Kittle. I like these 5 TEs more than Gronkowski but I'd take Gronk right after these guys. As a Niners fan I'm a huge fan of Kittle, but he is most certainly not a top 5 all time TE or better than Gronk Edited February 18, 2022 by jonnguy2015 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamq Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Not even close... Sharpie, Gonzalez and Gates come to mind immediately. Would probably take Kelce, homer but Kittle could get there too by the time he's Gronks age 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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