MWil23 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: No one is going to acquire it and I’ll be proven correct the morning of Monday the 18th. I mean, we absolutely could deal it, there's just a matter of return, so it's more or less a matter of waiting to see if it benefits us. If it doesn't, we are VERY HAPPY selecting our guy at #1. 9 minutes ago, rackcs said: I inquired and was told 2.1 was too far to drop. If everyone here "inquires" about the 1st overall pick and is turned down then they no longer can blame us for not making offers for the pick. 4D Chess Then again, I've learned in this league that people who are impatient might be willing to do things out of boredom or panic even despite things they've said or done in the past. Maybe that doesn't happen here and maybe we sell for less than we should or "reach" on a guy at #1, but really at the end of the day it's foolish to short sell before draft day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, rackcs said: I inquired and was told 2.1 was too far to drop. If everyone here "inquires" about the 1st overall pick and is turned down then they no longer can blame us for not making offers for the pick. I made my inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, MWil23 said: I mean, we absolutely could deal it, there's just a matter of return, so it's more or less a matter of waiting to see if it benefits us. If it doesn't, we are VERY HAPPY selecting our guy at #1. Well of course you could if you want way less than you should get for it, that can be said for any trade. So again no one will end up acquiring it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Hey pickle offered me a 7th to go from 4 to 2 maybe he will go up to 1... And we'd be happy to negotiate with @Pickle Rick if there's a guy he genuinely wants at #1 and he's willing to trade us the asset(s) that are beneficial to us in return. 3 minutes ago, wwhickok said: I mean if anyone at this point were willing to give you the ransom you're probably looking for in return for that pick, I think it would have already happened. Who said anything about ransom? We were willing to deal #1 for #2 and a 3rd round pick, which actually shorts us over 150 points on the 2022 draft chart. 3 minutes ago, wwhickok said: Part of me thinks you guys traded from 3 to 1 In hopes of getting a larger value back In a bigger trade back and that gamble does not appear to have paid off. Why shouldn't draft picks be bought and sold like any other commodity or stock option/investment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 minute ago, MWil23 said: Who said anything about ransom? We were willing to deal #1 for #2 and a 3rd round pick, which actually shorts us over 150 points on the 2022 draft chart. Trades in this league looking at actual past draft trades reflect the Rich Hill value chart far more than the Jimmy Johnson chart. But yes using either chart you lose value there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Scoundrel said: Well of course you could if you want way less than you should get for it, that can be said for any trade. So again no one will end up acquiring it. Like we've said, we are open and willing to deal it and we are happy and willing to stay put at #1 overall and get our guy. #1 might be more beneficial for us to stay put and draft than to trade back, but that doesn't mean we are going to rush and not exhaust every option at our disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 We're more than happy to make the pick, but it would be stupid not to weigh offers for the pick if we have several guys we would be happy to take in a trade down (which we do). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 No doubt. Take your time. We can’t even draft now anyway what I said was a joke about picking now. There is no draft thread. Won’t fault you for trying to maximize value. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, Scoundrel said: Trades in this league looking at actual past draft trades reflect the Rich Hill value chart far more than the Jimmy Johnson chart. I literally did that one. LOL. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp 1,000-717=283 add a 3rd, which best case scenario is in the 70s, and that is still 200 points short of the value. Truthfully, #2 and a 2nd puts us "there". Us willing to accept a #3 using Rich Hill's value just proves my entire point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, Blue said: We're more than happy to make the pick, but it would be stupid not to weigh offers for the pick if we have several guys we would be happy to take in a trade down (which we do). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, MWil23 said: I literally did that one. LOL. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp 1,000-717=283 add a 3rd, which best case scenario is in the 70s, and that is still 200 points short of the value. Truthfully, #2 and a 2nd puts us "there". Us willing to accept a #3 using Rich Hill's value just proves my entire point. Read above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Trades in this league looking at actual past draft trades reflect the Rich Hill value chart far more than the Jimmy Johnson chart. But yes using either chart you lose value there. I've always used the Jimmy chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Also need to look at the class. There is no Trevor Lawrence to trade up to 1 for. You’re willing to move down because you have so many prospects you’d be happy with. Same for others when looking to move up. Why do it unless you have some nostalgic reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Ragnarok said: I've always used the Jimmy chart. And that’s why I don’t trade picks with you Murphy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Imagine trading up to 1 and then wanting to jump down when Kyle Hamilton runs a 4.70. Then picking Thibs or Walker at one and saying that was your guy the whole time. Classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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