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Found this interesting since Bears were so interested in raiding Colts front office.   They may all be available soon given the major blunder they made in Wentz.  

The Carson Wentz dilemma, Part 1: 10 reasons why the Colts won’t bring him back
By Zak Keefer Feb 15, 2022 (snippets)

The dust has settled, now The Decision inches closer. Colts’ brass has now had a month to let the sting of Jacksonville sink in, to pore over all that went wrong — there was plenty — and weigh what needs to happen next.

Their deadline is March 18.

This is a franchise facing a quarterback dilemma for the third consecutive offseason. This wasn’t the plan, not after sending first- and third-round picks to Philadelphia last spring to acquire Carson Wentz, the QB who arrived with four years and $103 million left on the contract he signed with the Eagles in 2019. Wentz was supposed to offer the Colts the type of stability they’ve craved at the position since the night Andrew Luck retired in August of 2019.

Fifteen games in, he mostly had. The Colts believed they’d found an answer, at least for now.

“We thought we had it until the end of the season,” general manager Chris Ballard admitted later.

That’s because Wentz fell apart with a playoff berth on the line. He was far from the Colts’ only issue in losses to Las Vegas and Jacksonville to close the year, but his play was damning enough to stir immediate discussion inside the Colts’ West 56th Street facility — including one led by owner Jim Irsay — about whether he deserves a second season as the starter. In their year-end press conferences, Ballard and head coach Frank Reich stopped short of pledging Wentz would be under center come 2022, instead vowing to look at every option available.

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1. The writing’s on the wall: with everything on the line, he played his worst football of the season.

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The original thinking on the QB was if all went to plan, Wentz would be in Indianapolis for a handful of years, allowing the Colts patience as they looked for a long-term solution. The assumption was it’d be at least two years; the guaranteed money runs through 2022. But the ending was so devastating in Jacksonville, Wentz’s play so alarming, that it forced the Colts to face the question far sooner than they anticipated.

2. The pressure is on for Reich and Ballard to deliver; are they willing to risk their jobs on Wentz?

Irsay made it clear in that meeting with Ballard and Reich that what he’d just witnessed was wholly unacceptable, that a team with a league-high seven Pro Bowlers missing the postseason was a colossal failure. “An epic shortfall,” the owner would call it a week later, “that stunned and shocked and appalled us all.”

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3. If the Colts move on from Wentz, they’ll have roughly $51 million in salary-cap space to address their needs.

Obviously, moving on from Wentz also creates another issue: The Colts would have to find a new starting quarterback, and that’s the hardest thing to do in this league. Wentz is on the hook for at least $15 million in 2022 no matter what; if he plays, he’ll count for $28 million against the Colts’ salary cap, the highest number on the team. If the team cuts him before March 19, the Colts will save roughly $13 million and have $51 million to work with.

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Irsay has made it clear to those around him financials won’t be the deciding factor here; in other words, if the Colts have to eat the $15 million dead cap charge to upgrade at quarterback, he’s willing to do it.

With needs at premium positions — left tackle, edge rush and wide receiver, for starters — and an extension looming for Quenton Nelson, the Colts will have to spend some of that money, no matter what they end up doing at quarterback. Cutting Wentz and going with a potentially cheaper option would afford them more flexibility come free agency.

4. The mistakes he made at the end — are they correctable? Or is that who he is?

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“You’ve got to be able to get the ball out of your hands quickly,” Ballard said. “You’ve got to be able to get the ball out and take the easy completion when it comes, and that is a big part of Frank’s offense.”

Asked if Wentz was capable of improving in this area — if a QB who’s played the game one way his entire life can, at the age of 30, learn to play more disciplined — Ballard’s answer seemed more like a shrug of the shoulders, and a telling one at that.

“I think that’s something we’ve got to work through,” the GM said.

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5. There’s a ceiling with Wentz, especially in an AFC that’s loaded with elite quarterbacks. 

Another question the Colts must ask themselves is how far can Carson Wentz realistically take them in a crowded AFC that includes Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert?

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6. So-called game managers won’t get you beat. Wentz will.

Reich drilled the safe throw into his quarterback throughout the season, often telling Wentz in meetings, “I want you looking here first.” And the fact that Wentz threw just seven interceptions over 516 passing attempts — third-fewest in the league among starting quarterbacks — is proof that Reich got through to him, at least on some level.

But it’s the reckless decision-making that became, at times, debilitating to the offense and the team, especially in tight games. The left-handed throw against the Titans on Halloween (no, Wentz isn’t absolved from blame because the ensuing safety was a better option than merely an interception), then his awful interception in overtime of the same game. The terrible pick against the Patriots. The regression against the Jaguars. The list goes on.

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7. He led no game-winning drives in 2021. 

Part of this wasn’t his fault. Wentz’s left ankle was darn near snapped in half by Aaron Donald late in a Week 2 loss to the Rams in which Wentz had almost single-handedly kept the Colts in it.

Teammates came to respect how tough their quarterback was, especially after he stunned them by starting seven days later in Tennessee.

But Wentz had chances. Plenty of them.

One play from Wentz and the passing game in losses to the Rams, Ravens, Titans, Buccaneers or Raiders would’ve flipped the result, and those losses — Indianapolis was 2-5 in one-score games in 2021 — are a reflection, at least in part, of the quarterback’s shortcomings.

Put simply, Wentz needed to be better in critical moments. He wasn’t.

For the record, Wentz has led 10 game-winning drives in his career, four of which came with the Eagles in the 2019 season.

8. In fact, he was routinely worse after halftime, when most games are decided.

It’s more than just the fact that the Colts, with defenses keying on the best running back in football, mustered just the 26th-best passing attack in the league in 2021. It’s that week after week, late in the season, the Colts were worse in the air after halftime, unable to outthink their opponents and find an answer to the adjustments the defense made.

Six of Wentz’s seven interceptions came after halftime, when less of the offensive game plan is scripted. Eleven of his 32 sacks did, as well, which are not all on the quarterback but hint at the fact that Wentz was prone to holding onto the ball too long. His worst completion percentage (58.3) came in the third quarter, and his completion percentage after halftime (59) was six points lower than it was in the first half (65).

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And this quote from Ballard, weighing his quarterback’s shortcomings after the season, is revealing.

“I do think accuracy can get better, and you can drill it, drill it, drill it, but usually when you get into the game, you usually revert back,” Ballard said.

In other words, the quarterback is what he is.

9. Keeping Wentz limits what you can do for another year of Darius Leonard, DeForest Buckner and Quenton Nelson’s prime. The Colts cannot keep wasting that.

This roster isn’t without flaw, but it’s too simply good to have one playoff win in four seasons. And it’ll be a shame if, in 2022, the quarterback is again what’s holding back the Colts.

Buckner is entering Year 7, Kenny Moore Year 6, Leonard and Nelson Year 5. Jonathan Taylor will be a third-year back and the reigning rushing champ. With a young nucleus entering its prime, the Colts should be contending for conference championships and a spot in the Super Bowl.

They’re instead stuck on a hamster wheel, spending every offseason trying to solve the same riddle.

This has to change at some point.

Carson Wentz benefitted from Jonathan Taylor leading the NFL in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns.

10. What if COVID-19 lingers into the 2022 season?  

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There’s no way to know if the virus will leak into the 2022 season, but the reality that Wentz wasn’t vaccinated — and therefore was more susceptible to miss games — never sat well with Irsay. He wanted his quarterback to do everything within his power to be available.

Wentz, to be fair, made all 17 starts for the Colts this season, fighting through a foot injury in training camp, an ankle injury in Week 2 and a positive COVID-19 test in December.

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The Carson Wentz dilemma, Part 2: 10 reasons the Colts will bring him back (snippets)

By Zak Keefer 

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1. Continuity

Moving on from Wentz would mean five different starting quarterbacks in Reich’s five seasons. It’s the type of turnover at the most critical position on the field that would bury most franchises. The Colts are no different.

Irsay, above all, knows this. He deeply values continuity, particularly within the three most important positions in his organization: general manager, head coach and starting quarterback. He’s had that with Ballard and Reich, who’ve been in Indianapolis now five and four seasons, respectively. The quarterback dilemma, more than anything, has been what’s held this franchise back.

Reich has tailored his offense each year to his new QB’s skill set — Andrew Luck in 2018, Jacoby Brissett in 2019, Philip Rivers in 2020 and Wentz last season. Landing a new quarterback this spring would mean starting fresh, again, in a league where consistency at that position is essential.

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2. There’s no guarantee a lateral move makes you better, and replacing Wentz would likely require significant capital — either salary cap space or draft picks — and that would hurt your chances at addressing other, glaring needs.

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While Jimmy Garoppolo would require a trade, the rest will be free agents come March. With the possible exception of Jameis Winston, who’s always a gamble, and is coming off a torn ACL, it’s hard to make a case any of these quarterbacks would be a sizable step up from Wentz, his flaws being what they are.

As for the QBs rumored to be available in a potential trade, Derek Carr would be a step up, though new Raiders head coach Josh McDaniels seems intent on building around the 30-year-old passer. Kirk Cousins is 33 and due $35 million for 2022. Why give up draft picks for a player who’s not going to make you all that much better?

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Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson would be massive upgrades, and absolutely worth the risk, but remember any potential trade would require a haul of picks — and the Colts don’t even have a first-rounder this year to sweeten the deal. It would also mean the Packers and Seahawks are willing to move their star quarterbacks, which still seems highly unlikely. And if Rodgers does become available, the Colts would have to compete against another potential landing spot in the Broncos, a team that just hired his former offensive coordinator as head coach, has a top-five defense and better young receivers in place.

The Colts’ best move might be sticking with Wentz for a year — problematic as that might be — then addressing the issue more aggressively after next season when there’s no dead money involved and they have a first-round pick at their disposal.

3. As many as nine teams could be active in the QB market this spring. Landing a coveted passer is going to be extremely difficult.

Teams presumably in the quarterback market this spring: the Colts, Steelers, Broncos, Texans, Bucs, Saints, Commanders and Panthers.

And possibly Green Bay, depending on what happens with Rodgers.

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The problem, as is often the case, is there aren’t enough starter-level quarterbacks to go around. Combine that with a thin class coming out in the draft, and it’s a bad year to be looking for a new QB. It’s one thing to want Wentz out in Indianapolis; it’s another to have a solution to replace him. The Colts have to consider the latter before deciding on the former.

4. There is ample opportunity to get better around Wentz this offseason if the Colts are willing to spend. No matter who’s at QB, the Colts need to improve at WR and TE.

A list of receivers who’ll be unrestricted free agents this spring, barring a franchise tag from their respective team: Davante Adams, Chris Godwin, Allen Robinson, Michael Gallup, Mike Williams, Juju Smith-Schuster, D.J. Chark, Christian Kirk, Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

A list of tight ends who’ll be unrestricted free agents this spring, barring a franchise tag from their respective team: Mike Gesicki, Dalton Schultz, David Njoku, O.J. Howard, Gerald Everett, Evan Engram and Zach Ertz, a close friend of Wentz’s from their days in Philadelphia.

While it’s not an appealing market for quarterbacks, it is for pass-catchers, an area the Colts desperately need to improve. It won’t be cheap, but the Colts need to stop skimping. Outside of Michael Pittman Jr., they have no one on the outside who scares defenses. That needs to change.

And adding one or two of these pieces would help Wentz — or whoever the quarterback is — immensely.

5. Wentz’s overall body of work in 2021 wasn’t nearly as bad as the way it ended.

No, the Irsay-Ballard-Reich triumvirate can’t excuse what happened in Jacksonville, and they can’t ignore it. What Wentz put on tape in Week 18 was a damning indictment of how poorly he’s capable of playing. Even the best quarterbacks have bad days, but this was something else.

Stats can be shaped to fit almost any argument, and they never tell the full story with a quarterback — certainly not with Wentz. But his body of work, through 15 games at least, was mostly encouraging. He’d made the best throw of his season, an against-the-body bullet to Dezmon Patmon in the end zone to seal a win over the Cardinals on Christmas night — and the Colts looked primed to lock up a playoff bid. Often overlooked is Wentz’s rushing ability. He picked up 215 yards and 21 first downs with his legs this season, plus a touchdown in a win in San Francisco.

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The end of the season felt like a disaster, but the bulk of the season wasn’t. There certainly were things the Colts QB did that this team can build on for 2022 — if that team wants him back.

6. A full offseason will help.

I asked Reich after the season ended if he felt like he was running on a hamster wheel — four quarterbacks in four years, an uphill climb destined to hamper any team’s success— and the coach made an interesting point.

“I would love to have OTAs,” Reich said, referring to the team’s abbreviated offseason last year that ended before Memorial Day. “I’ll give up the 11-on-11 drills, but let us just have as many seven-on-seven reps as we can so we can fine-tune the passing game. There’s no shortcut for that stuff.”

It wasn’t just the injury-plagued preseason that hurt this team early in 2021. The Colts’ players and coaches agreed on a shortened OTA and minicamp schedule, which essentially amounted to a handful of non-padded practices. Reich and Ballard believe it set the team back ahead of training camp, where the Colts were hit with a rash of injuries early and didn’t recover until midway through the season.

“This falls on Frank and I, and the uncertainty of last year affected it, but we will have an offseason,” Ballard pledged in January. “You can bet on that. If they don’t want to show up, fine, but we’re going to be here, and guys that want to win are going to be here. We’re going to have an offseason.”  I thought this was most interesting part of article.  Practice matters.  

Reich knows that Wentz wasn’t just starting over in Indianapolis this past season, but doing so with hardly any spring workouts, then hardly any preseason (his ankle injury, plus a COVID-19 close contact, kept him off the field for all but six preseason practices).

An ankle injury limited the amount of work Carson Wentz could get done in training camp. 
This matters, especially in a timing-based offense built on the quarterback’s quick decision-making. It doesn’t excuse Wentz’s play later in the season when he’d had 15 games under his belt in Reich’s scheme, but a full offseason and training camp would set up Wentz and the Colts for a much better start in 2022.

7. Teammates respect him.

Wentz caught the locker room’s attention in early September when he stunned his teammates and made it on the field for the Colts’ Week 3 game in Tennessee, one week after suffering a pair of ankle sprains in a loss to the Rams.

“He couldn’t even walk until Thursday,” running back Nyheim Hines said at the time. “No chance I thought he’d play.”

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8. A budding rapport with Michael Pittman Jr.

It was obvious from the outset of training camp, even before Wentz’s foot injury, that there was a connection with Michael Pittman Jr., who’d become the first 1,000-yard wide receiver Wentz has had in six NFL seasons. (Eagles tight end Zach Ertz topped 1,000 with him in 2018.)

For most of the year, the Colts had a legitimate third-down threat and some of the surest hands in the league. Pittman finished 10th in the AFC in yards and 11th in catches, and made 25 third-down catches, most on the team. His 21 catches of 16 yards or more speak to his big-play ability, something the Colts had missed at wide receiver for years.

It was a sizable step up for him in Year 2, an indication that Pittman could be — and likely will be — the Colts’ No. 1 receiver for years to come.  My Note:  Interesting that this was the likely draft pick Packers passed on to trade up and draft Love.  IMO it is fairly likely that one decision may have cost them at least one title.  

“Carson just puts it up there, and he just always puts it in a great spot,” Pittman said midseason. “I can just body guys up and run through arms, so credit to him.”

After the disappointing finish, Wentz closed his season-ending Instagram post with this: “So much to look forward to and lots of work still to do, but I promise, we will be back even better next year … and it can’t come soon enough.”

To that, Pittman replied: “LETS KEEP WORKIN 2. NEXT YEAR ABOUT TO BE CRAZY.”

9. He has the physical tools to run the aggressive scheme Reich wants.

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10. It was a chaotic season, marred by an injury-plagued training camp and a COVID-19 outbreak late in the year. Without any better options available, giving Reich another shot to work with Wentz might be the team’s best play.

And if it backfires?

Here we go again.

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Don't pretty much ALL other reports suggest they're moving on from Wentz? No matter what? 

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‘It’s going to get better’: A look at the Bears’ plan to develop QB Justin Fields - Jahns

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“The development of him for the second year should be a big jump; it should be,” Eberflus said at the NFL owners’ meetings in Palm Beach, Fla. “That’s what we’re looking for. We’re looking for better technique, better fundamentals, better decision-making, better timing, everything. He’s all on board on that. He’s excited about where he is, and he’s been working his tail off. That’s what we want, just that big jump from Year 1 to Year 2.”

But how?

Faith in the coaching

Eberflus and Getsy met nearly two years ago through mutual friends. But Eberflus’ coaching interest in him is rooted in more years than that. It spans Eberflus’ NFL coaching career.

“You look at certain offenses and you look at certain styles and you look at the tree where certain people come from and you look and see how they operate,” Eberflus said in January. “I’m big into metrics and grades and into measuring how people operate in terms of their efficiency and things that come with it.

“And then you look at certain things and you start calling around and asking people, that’s where Luke is special. He’s special because he’s tough, innovative, smart and he works well with the team. He’s a big team guy, so I’m excited about where he is. He’s been on my radar for a while.”

Faith in Fields

When Poles watched film of the Bears offense from last season, he didn’t see the connection between Fields and wide receiver Darnell Mooney, at least not to the extent the former regime built it up to be.

“It was off,” he said at the owners’ meetings. “I don’t know if that’s just the way that they had it structured with who was starting and who wasn’t starting. And I had that conversation with him; I had it with Mooney; I had it with Cole (Kmet). And it’s been cool to see (Fields) on social media going down to Atlanta and working with them.”

Poles gets to see them in person starting this week. But the trio’s work in Atlanta is an important part of the equation. As always, the player’s development starts with the player, and although Eberflus and Poles didn’t draft Fields, the Bears like what they have in him. Fields fits into Eberflus’ HITS philosophy, which the coach plans to use to change the culture at Halas Hall.

“Well, Justin’s got high character,” Eberflus said on “Hoge & Jahns.” “He loves football, and he wants to work hard and he does work hard. And he’s been a great worker since I’ve been here. He’s been working his tail off. So in terms of the hustle and the effort, he’s going to fit right into that. The intensity for the quarterback is more about mental intensity and mental focus, making sure he’s operating the offense and, you know, obviously taking care of the ball, making good decisions, good timing. And then situations, I mean, shoot, that’s all quarterback play. We’re going to work him through those situations.”

Fields needs help. Receivers Byron Pringle and Equanimeous St. Brown and center Lucas Patrick, three newcomers, aren’t nearly enough. Poles knows that. But maintaining a long-term plan has the potential to alter the course of a franchise that has experienced sporadic success in recent years. Poles strives for that.  [Emphasis Mine]

“Yeah, it’s a difficult challenge, but I think as a whole with the scheme, with coaching, with some of the additions we’ve had, I think it’s going to get better,” Poles said. “I think he’s going to be put in a situation where he’s going to be comfortable, and I’ve said this all the way back to the very beginning, allowing him to do what he does best is going to allow him to grow from that point.”

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So basically it's a lot of words to say it is going to be the coaching and scheme that we are counting on to make Fields better.  At least for time being.   Then at some point the long term plan gets activated.

 

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I guess you didn’t read the first paragraph you posted where it talked about what Fields needs to do. Sounds to me like it’s a combination between coaching/scheme and Fields improving. 
 

How it all works out, I don’t know we’ll see what happens. 

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I’m a big fan of Brugler’s draft guide. Just dropped this week. 

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36 minutes ago, blkwdw13 said:

I guess you didn’t read the first paragraph you posted where it talked about what Fields needs to do. Sounds to me like it’s a combination between coaching/scheme and Fields improving. 
 

How it all works out, I don’t know we’ll see what happens. 

That comes with coaching.  I just lumped it in.   But you are right he has to be receptive and do his part.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said:

I’m a big fan of Brugler’s draft guide. Just dropped this week. 

One of reasons I bought the subscription.   Been waiting for it.

 

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Here are Bruglers WR rankings:

WIDE RECEIVERS
PROSPECT SCHOOL GRADE YEAR HEIGHT WEIGHT 40-YD (10-YD) ARMS HANDS WING AGE
1. GARRETT WILSON Ohio State 1st JR. 5116 183 4.38 (1.53) 32 9 7/8 76 1/2 21.77
2. JAMESON WILLIAMS Alabama 1st JR. 6014 179 DNP (DNP) 32 1/8 9 1/4 75 7/8 21.09
3. DRAKE LONDON USC 1st JR. 6037 219 DNP (DNP) 33 9 3/8 77 3/4 20.76
4. CHRIS OLAVE Ohio State 1st SR. 6003 187 4.39 (1.45) 31 1/8 9 1/2 73 1/8 21.84
5. TREYLON BURKS Arkansas 1st JR. 6020 225 4.55 (1.57) 33 1/2 9 7/8 79 1/8 22.10
6. JAHAN DOTSON Penn State 1st-2nd SR. 5105 178 4.43 (1.56) 30 3/4 9 1/2 74 22.10
7. SKYY MOORE Western Michigan 2nd JR. 5095 195 4.41 (1.46) 31 10 1/4 73 5/8 21.63
8. GEORGE PICKENS Georgia 2nd JR. 6032 195 4.47 (1.50) 32 3/8 8 3/4 77 3/8 21.15
9. JALEN TOLBERT South Alabama 2nd-3rd rSR. 6011 194 4.49 (1.49) 32 1/4 10 76 3/8 23.17
10. CHRISTIAN WATSON North Dakota State 2nd-3rd rSR. 6041 208 4.36 (1.45) 32 1/2 10 1/8 77 5/8 22.96
11. JOHN METCHIE III Alabama 3rd JR. 5112 187 DNP (DNP) 30 5/8 9 1/4 73 3/8 21.78
12. ALEC PIERCE Cincinnati 3rd SR. 6031 211 4.41 (1.46) 33 9 78 1/2 21.99
13. DAVID BELL Purdue 3rd JR. 6007 212 4.65 (1.56) 31 7/8 9 1/4 76 5/8 21.37
14. WAN’DALE ROBINSON Kentucky 3rd-4th JR. 5080 178 4.44 (1.49) 27 5/8 9 67 5/8 21.31
15. CALVIN AUSTIN III Memphis 3rd-4th rSR. 5076 170 4.32 (1.44) 30 9 1/4 73 23.09
16. KHALIL SHAKIR Boise State 4th SR. 5117 196 4.43 (1.49) 29 9 1/2 70 3/8 22.24
17. DANNY GRAY SMU 4th SR. 5117 186 4.33 (1.51) 31 7/8 9 5/8 76 7/8 23.08
18. KYLE PHILIPS UCLA 4th rJR. 5112 189 4.58 (1.49) 29 5/8 8 5/8 71 22.86
19. JUSTYN ROSS Clemson 4th-5th rJR. 6035 205 4.63 (1.76) 32 1/8 9 5/8 77 7/8 22.37
20. BO MELTON Rutgers 4th-5th rSR. 5110 189 4.34 (1.47) 31 1/4 9 76 1/2 22.94
21. KEVIN AUSTIN JR. Notre Dame 5th rJR. 6023 200 4.43 (1.48) 32 7/8 9 79 1/4 22.08
22. ERIK EZUKANMA Texas Tech 5th rJR. 6017 209 4.54 (1.57) 33 1/2 9 3/8 78 1/4 22.26
23. TYQUAN THORNTON Baylor 5th SR. 6023 181 4.28 (1.41) 33 1/4 8 1/4 79 1/4 21.73
24. MAKAI POLK Mississippi State 5th-6th rSO. 6031 195 4.59 (1.53) 32 1/4 9 1/2 77 7/8 20.73
25. VELUS JONES JR. Tennessee 5th-6th rSR. 5116 204 4.31 (1.46) 30 7/8 9 3/4 73 1/2 24.96
26. CHARLESTON RAMBO Miami (Fla.) 5th-6th rSR. 6005 184 4.52 (1.63) 32 9 3/4 76 1/2 22.72
27. ROMEO DOUBS Nevada 6th SR. 6017 201 DNP (DNP) 32 1/4 10 77 3/8 22.04
28. DAI’JEAN DIXON Nicholls State 6th rSR. 6025 205 4.62 (1.55) 32 3/8 9 1/2 78 3/8 23.53
29. DONTARIO DRUMMOND Ole Miss 6th-7th rSR. 6007 215 4.65 (1.57) 31 1/2 9 1/4 76 3/8 24.68
30. JALEN NAILOR Michigan State 6th-7th rJR. 5112 186 4.50 (1.52) 30 1/4 9 1/8 73 23.16
31. BRAYLON SANDERS Ole Miss 6th-7th rSR. 6001 194 4.48 (1.48) 31 1/2 10 74 3/4 23.27
32. TRE TURNER Virginia Tech 6th-7th SR. 6013 184 4.51 (1.49) 30 3/4 8 1/2 74 1/4 22.02
33. JOSH JOHNSON Tulsa 7th rSR. 5104 183 4.60 (1.56) 31 7/8 8 5/8 73 7/8 22.72
34. TANNER CONNER Idaho State 7th rSR. 6030 226 4.49 (1.61) 31 5/8 9 1/2 77 1/2 24.11
35. TY FRYFOGLE Indiana 7th rSR. 6011 204 4.53 (1.52) 30 3/4 9 3/4 74 5/8 23.25

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OTs

 

1. IKEM EKWONU NC State 1st JR. 6040 310 4.93 (1.72) 34 10 1/4 84 1/4 21.49
2. EVAN NEAL Alabama 1st JR. 6074 337 DNP (DNP) 34 10 1/8 83 21.61
3. CHARLES CROSS Mississippi State 1st rSO. 6046 307 4.95 (1.75) 34 1/2 10 3/4 81 21.43
4. TREVOR PENNING Northern Iowa 1st rSR. 6071 325 4.89 (1.65) 34 1/4 10 1/8 82 7/8 22.95
5. BERNHARD RAIMANN Central Michigan 1st-2nd SR. 6061 303 5.05 (1.70) 32 7/8 10 1/4 80 1/8 24.60
6. TYLER SMITH Tulsa 2nd rSO. 6045 324 5.02 (1.70) 34 10 3/4 83 1/8 21.07
7. DANIEL FAALELE Minnesota 2nd-3rd SR. 6081 390 5.60 (2.04) 35 1/8 11 85 1/8 22.47
8. ABRAHAM LUCAS Washington State 3rd rSR. 6063 315 4.92 (1.69) 33 7/8 10 1/2 81 3/4 23.51
9. NICHOLAS PETIT-FRERE Ohio State 3rd-4th rJR. 6051 316 5.14 (1.77) 33 5/8 10 3/4 81 3/4 22.62
10. RASHEED WALKER Penn State 3rd-4th rJR. 6055 313 DNP (DNP) 33 5/8 10 5/8 80 1/2 22.21
11. BRAXTON JONES Southern Utah 4th rSR. 6052 310 4.97 (1.69) 35 3/8 10 1/4 83 1/2 23.09
12. SPENCER BURFORD UTSA 4th-5th SR. 6041 304 5.19 (1.77) 34 3/4 9 1/2 82 21.78
13. KELLEN DIESCH Arizona State 4th-5th rSR. 6071 303 4.89 (1.68) 32 1/4 9 1/2 78 3/8 24.68
14. MAX MITCHELL Louisiana 4th-5th SR. 6062 307 5.32 (1.78) 33 1/2 10 80 3/8 22.54
15. DARE ROSENTHAL Kentucky 5th rJR. 6066 290 4.88 (1.69) 33 1/2 9 79 3/8 22.38
16. VEDERIAN LOWE Illinois 5th-6th rSR. 6045 314 5.22 (1.75) 35 3/8 10 3/8 83 7/8 23.03
17. RYAN VAN DEMARK Connecticut 6th SR. 6064 307 5.26 (1.75) 35 3/4 10 1/2 85 5/8 24.10
18. JA’TYRE CARTER Southern 6th-7th rSR. 6033 311 5.13 (1.79) 33 5/8 10 1/4 79 1/2 23.29
19. OBINNA EZE TCU 6th-7th rSR. 6064 321 5.17 (1.79) 36 1/8 9 7/8 85 3/4 23.88
20. MATT WALETZKO North Dakota 7th SR. 6075 312 5.03 (1.70) 36 1/8 10 1/4 85 5/8 22.37

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Guards

1. ZION JOHNSON Boston College 1st rSR. 6025 312 5.18 (1.74) 34 10 5/8 82 3/8 22.44
2. KENYON GREEN Texas A&M 1st-2nd JR. 6037 323 5.24 (1.76) 34 1/8 10 3/8 83 3/8 21.12
3. DARIAN KINNARD Kentucky 2nd SR. 6053 322 5.31 (1.78) 35 11 1/4 83 1/4 22.33
4. JAMAREE SALYER Georgia 2nd SR. 6030 321 DNP (DNP) 33 5/8 10 80 1/4 21.79
5. LUKE GOEDEKE Central Michigan 3rd rSR. 6050 312 DNP (DNP) 32 1/4 9 3/4 79 7/8 23.44
6. MARQUIS HAYES Oklahoma 3rd rSR. 6047 318 5.30 (1.82) 34 7/8 8 7/8 83 1/2 23.21
7. SEAN RHYAN UCLA 3rd JR. 6045 321 5.25 (1.77) 32 3/8 11 1/8 79 1/4 23.61
8. JOSHUA EZEUDU North Carolina 3rd-4th rJR. 6042 308 5.19 (1.78) 34 9 1/2 82 1/4 22.61
9. ED INGRAM LSU 3rd-4th rSR. 6032 307 5.02 (1.68) 33 5/8 10 81 7/8 23.21
10. LECITUS SMITH Virginia Tech 4th rSR. 6032 314 5.18 (1.79) 31 7/8 9 5/8 78 3/4 23.79
11. JUSTIN SHAFFER Georgia 4th-5th rSR. 6037 314 5.14 (1.72) 33 1/4 10 80 5/8 23.86
12. LOGAN BRUSS Wisconsin 4th-5th rSR. 6050 309 5.32 (1.76) 33 1/8 10 3/4 79 3/4 22.56
13. THAYER MUNFORD Ohio State 4th-5th rSR. 6056 328 5.39 (1.80) 35 1/8 10 1/8 84 5/8 22.61
14. ANDREW STUEBER Michigan 5th rSR. 6065 325 DNP (DNP) 34 1/8 10 79 7/8 22.83
15. CHASEN HINES LSU 5th-6th SR. 6026 327 5.22 (1.74) 33 7/8 9 7/8 81 3/8 22.07
16. CHRIS PAUL Tulsa 5th-6th rSR. 6037 323 4.89 (1.67) 33 5/8 9 3/8 81 5/8 23.44
17. CADE MAYS Tennessee 5th-6th SR. 6046 311 5.24 (1.81) 34 1/8 10 82 1/4 23.01
18. CORDELL VOLSON North Dakota State 6th rSR. 6061 315 5.27 (1.80) 33 7/8 10 1/2 81 1/8 23.77
19. ZACH THOMAS San Diego State 6th-7th rSR. 6047 308 4.96 (1.65) 33 7/8 10 1/4 82 1/2 23.92
20. NICK ZAKELJ Fordham 6th-7th rSR. 6061 316 5.13 (1.67) 32 1/2 9 7/8 78 3/8 22.85
21. JASON POE Mercer 7th rSR. 6005 300 4.90 (1.75) 31 10 5/8 78 23.75

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Centers

1. TYLER LINDERBAUM Iowa 1st rJR. 6021 296 DNP (DNP) 31 7/8 10 78 1/8 22.06
2. CAM JURGENS Nebraska 2nd rJR. 6027 303 4.92 (1.71) 33 3/8 10 80 1/8 22.69
3. DYLAN PARHAM Memphis 3rd rSR. 6025 311 4.93 (1.66) 33 1/8 10 1/4 78 7/8 22.68
4. COLE STRANGE Chattanooga 3rd rSR. 6047 307 5.03 (1.71) 33 10 1/8 79 3/4 23.74
5. LUKE FORTNER Kentucky 3rd rSR. 6041 307 5.21 (1.77) 33 1/8 10 80 3/8 23.95
6. ZACH TOM Wake Forest 4th-5th rSR. 6042 304 4.94 (1.63) 33 1/4 10 3/8 80 3/8 23.09
7. BEN BROWN Ole Miss 4th-5th rSR. 6051 312 DNP (DNP) 34 3/8 10 1/4 81 3/4 23.94
8. DOHNOVAN WEST Arizona State 5th JR. 6032 296 5.27 (1.74) 33 9 1/2 78 20.94
9. ALEC LINDSTROM Boston College 6th-7th rSR. 6033 296 5.18 (1.74) 32 5/8 9 1/4 76 23.81
10. DAWSON DEATON Texas Tech 6th-7th rSR. 6054 306 5.12 (1.74) 32 7/8 9 5/8 79 1/2 22.98

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Cornerbacks

1. AHMAD GARDNER Cincinnati 1st JR. 6026 190 4.41 (1.51) 33 1/2 9 5/8 79 3/8 21.66
2. TRENT MCDUFFIE Washington 1st JR. 5106 193 4.44 (1.53) 29 3/4 8 3/4 72 3/8 21.63
3. DEREK STINGLEY JR. LSU 1st JR. 6002 190 4.44 (1.56) 30 5/8 9 5/8 74 1/8 20.86
4. ANDREW BOOTH JR. Clemson 1st-2nd JR. 6002 194 DNP (DNP) 31 1/2 9 3/8 76 7/8 21.58
5. KAIIR ELAM Florida 2nd JR. 6014 191 4.39 (1.55) 30 7/8 8 7/8 76 1/2 20.98
6. KYLER GORDON Washington 2nd rJR. 5114 194 4.52 (1.56) 31 9 1/4 74 3/4 22.36
7. ROGER MCCREARY Auburn 2nd-3rd SR. 5113 190 4.50 (1.57) 28 7/8 9 70 5/8 22.22
8. CAM TAYLOR-BRITT Nebraska 2nd-3rd SR. 5105 196 4.38 (1.54) 31 1/2 10 75 22.54
9. MARCUS JONES Houston 2nd-3rd rSR. 5080 174 DNP (DNP) 28 7/8 8 7/8 69 3/4 23.52
10. TARIQ WOOLEN UTSA 3rd rSR. 6041 205 4.26 (1.47) 33 5/8 9 1/8 78 5/8 22.99
11. COBY BRYANT Cincinnati 3rd rSR. 6013 193 4.47 (1.56) 30 5/8 9 3/8 73 5/8 23.08
12. JOSHUA WILLIAMS Fayetteville State 3rd rSR. 6027 195 4.51 (1.50) 32 7/8 9 1/2 77 3/4 22.53
13. DAMARRI MATHIS Pittsburgh 3rd rSR. 5110 196 4.39 (1.54) 31 7/8 8 1/4 77 1/2 23.04
14. ZYON MCCOLLUM Sam Houston State 3rd-4th rSR. 6021 199 4.33 (1.46) 30 3/4 9 73 3/4 22.99
15. JALYN ARMOUR-DAVIS Alabama 3rd-4th rJR. 6005 197 4.39 (1.52) 30 7/8 9 1/4 74 1/2 22.65
16. AKAYLEB EVANS Missouri 4th rSR. 6020 197 4.46 (1.54) 32 8 3/4 74 3/4 22.85
17. TARIQ CASTRO-FIELDS Penn State 4th rSR. 6005 197 4.38 (1.50) 30 3/4 8 3/4 76 23.29
18. JOSH JOBE Alabama 4th-5th SR. 5114 182 DNP (DNP) 32 5/8 9 1/4 76 3/8 24.05
19. JAYLEN WATSON Washington State 4th-5th rSR. 6020 197 4.48 (1.55) 32 1/4 9 5/8 76 1/2 23.61
20. KALON BARNES Baylor 4th-5th SR. 5114 183 4.23 (1.53) 31 3/4 9 7/8 76 3/4 23.37
21. MARTIN EMERSON Mississippi State 5th JR. 6015 201 4.51 (1.57) 33 1/2 10 1/8 79 1/2 21.59
22. COBIE DURANT South Carolina State 5th rSR. 5095 180 4.38 (1.52) 30 3/4 8 3/4 72 3/4 24.22
23. DAMARION WILLIAMS Houston 5th rSR. 5102 182 4.53 (1.53) 29 5/8 8 3/4 72 5/8 23.79
24. CORDALE FLOTT LSU 5th-6th JR. 6004 175 4.50 (1.56) 30 1/8 8 74 3/8 20.68
25. CHASE LUCAS Arizona State 5th-6th rSR. 5112 180 4.48 (1.52) 31 7/8 9 1/4 74 1/2 25.15
26. BRYCE WATTS Massachusetts 5th-6th rSR. 5115 187 4.40 (1.49) 31 9 1/8 76 1/4 23.92
27. MARIO GOODRICH Clemson 6th SR. 6002 176 4.52 (1.56) 30 5/8 9 1/8 74 5/8 22.29
28. VINCENT GRAY Michigan 6th rJR. 6022 192 4.54 (1.57) 32 3/8 9 1/4 78 1/8 22.33
29. ISAAC TAYLOR-STUART USC 6th rJR. 6014 201 4.42 (1.47) 31 1/2 9 77 1/4 22.51
30. GREGORY JUNIOR Ouachita Baptist 6th-7th rSR. 5117 203 4.45 (1.63) 30 7/8 8 3/4 76 1/4 22.85
31. DALLIS FLOWERS Pittsburg 6th-7th rSR. 6010 196 4.40 (1.47) 32 9 7/8 78 24.90
32. CHRIS STEELE USC 6th-7th JR. 6003 187 4.48 (1.56) 31 1/8 8 3/4 74 3/4 21.59
33. JA’QUAN MCMILLIAN East Carolina 6th-7th JR. 5096 181 4.55 (1.67) 29 8 5/8 71 21.90
34. JACK JONES Arizona State 7th rSR. 5106 177 4.50 (1.52) 30 3/4 8 7/8 74 24.36
35. DARRELL BAKER JR. Georgia Southern 7th rSR. 6007 190 4.41 (1.53) 31 3/4 8 3/4 77 7/8 24.09
36. DERION KENDRICK Georgia 7th SR. 5117 194 4.78 (1.60) 31 9 1/8 74 3/8 21.68

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Guessing our 2nd rounders barring trade are coming from those position groups and someone with a 1,2 or 3rd round grade.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, dll2000 said:

Guessing our 2nd rounders barring trade are coming from those position groups and someone with a 1,2 or 3rd round grade.

 

 

Good stuff. Thanks for posting those.