Packer_ESP Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Because it is the playoffs, don't care what your grade is, we still should be playing because the defense was great and the offense did enough. It literally didn’t , I don’t know what’s so hard to grasp. If you’re being literal, they didn’t score enough to win. If you’re being theoretical, 13 points is not doing enough by any stretch of the imagination. Only in la-la land where you take the literally great performance of the defense and then add a theoretical STs performance the offense did enough. It’s just delusional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Very easy exercise. Its Saturday morning before the game and I tell you that: - The offense will have a TD drive and 2 FG drives and the defense and ST have to play well enough to win that game. Would you take it? - The defense will give up 2 FG drives all game, and the offense and ST have to play well enough to win the game. Would you take it? - STs will miss a FG and get a punt blocked for a TD. Offense and defense have to play well enough to win the game. Would you take it? Answer which ones of these would you take and that’s the answer about who “did enough” to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Because it is the playoffs, don't care what your grade is, we still should be playing because the defense was great and the offense did enough. Did enough to do what? 13 points is ****ty as hell, and that's giving them the benefit of the doubt of the missed FG. 13 points losses (or ties in our case) every playoff game this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACKRULE Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 53 minutes ago, LLcheesehead12 said: No I mean fire everyone in the coaching staff, front office, and Mark Murphy. Fire everyone and hit the total reset button! This is a hair too much of a knee jerk reaction. Fire a coach that just put up 3 x 13 win seasons, a GM who managed to put together the club he did with an extremely conservative board to deal with. Not a great take, really in business which this is you need to really look at the totality of things. One of which will be how much money did they make? If what is working bring in money, guess what's going on in the future:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Because it is the playoffs, don't care what your grade is, we still should be playing because the defense was great and the offense did enough. The Offense did ENOUGH? They did enough in the first half of the last Lions game too you'll tell us next. The offense fought and had some wins and too many fails. The O-Line (what we were left with) was tasked with a tough match up, Jones played his heart out, D Adams was great as he always is. TE's sucked. Rodgers sucked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkySauce Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 18 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: GTFO, he was absolutely a reason they lost. I mean, obviously he wasn't the reason they lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, StinkySauce said: I mean, obviously he wasn't the reason they lost. It's mental gymnastics to say he wasn't a reason they lost. Of course he wasn't the only reason they lost. That isn't a thing in football. But saying, "He shouldn't be getting a ton of flack because if everybody else has performed perfectly we would have won" is such an illogical argument I can't even take it seriously. That's just flat out simping for the man. Edited January 24, 2022 by AlexGreen#20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, LLcheesehead12 said: Amari R has so far mostly been relegated to punt returns which is not where he should be. I'm willing to give him a little leeway to develop as a WR because he still might pan out even if he's no Justin Jefferson. But Deguara and EqSB have definitely got to go. They wouldn't be starting on a single other roster in this league. Everyone wants to give Gute credit for rebuilding the defense but people refuse to acknowledge the fact that he has been pretty bad when it comes to drafting on the offensive side of the ball. His strength has primarily been in free agency. 2018: J'Mon Moore - Bust Cole Madison- backup quality at best/bust MVS - Below average starter ESB - bust 2019: Elgton Jenkins: great pick, potential all pro Jace Sternberger : bust Dexter Williams: bust 2020: Jordan Love - Hasn't seen the field enough to justify first round selection AJ Dillon - good player, bad value for 2nd round Josiah Deguara - bust Jon Runyan - below average starter so far Jake Hanson - bust Simon Stepaniak - bust 2021: Josh Myers - Below average so far, might be good Amari Rodgers - very bad to this point, not ready to declare bust but it doesnt look promising so far Royce Newman - he has just been flat olut awful Cole Van Lanen - never saw the field even with all the injuries on the OL Kylin Hill - barely saw the field 18 players taken on offense over the last 3 years and only 5 of them have been what I would consider above replacement level players. When it comes to those 5 players only Jenkins and Dillon have produced on the field at an above average level. MVS hasn't proven he deserves a 2nd contract. Myers and Runyan its too early to make a determination yet. Obviously I'm not expecting him to hit on every pick or even 50% of his picks but so far his track record when drafting on offense has been very sub-par. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWhitehurst Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 15412 said: The Offense did ENOUGH? They did enough in the first half of the last Lions game too you'll tell us next. The offense fought and had some wins and too many fails. The O-Line (what we were left with) was tasked with a tough match up, Jones played his heart out, D Adams was great as he always is. TE's sucked. Rodgers sucked. Need an upgrade from Deguara. He makes one "Rudy" play in college and Lafleur falls in love with him for his "try hard". He's just not talented. The Oline was overrated going into the playoffs--losing Jenkins in season hurt alot and in my 20/20 hindsight, they should have taken Creed Humphrey instead of Josh Myers. Rodgers did suck in this game, and I've not heard him admit it as of yet. Just an "I'm above going through a rebuild." I'd love to still have him, but obviously not if he doesn't want to be here. Edited January 24, 2022 by DWhitehurst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, skibrett15 said: he made a play to Jones late in the first and a deep crosser to Davante for 25. The only argument I'm fighting here is "Rodgers is the reason we lost" Clearly he's part of the losing effort. By my measure his play was like the 3rd or 4th biggest reason. I feel ya man. I think a lot are assigning too much blame towards Aaron. Damn shame this team couldn’t get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, StatKing said: Everyone wants to give Gute credit for rebuilding the defense but people refuse to acknowledge the fact that he has been pretty bad when it comes to drafting on the offensive side of the ball. His strength has primarily been in free agency. 2018: J'Mon Moore - Bust Cole Madison- backup quality at best/bust MVS - Below average starter ESB - bust 2019: Elgton Jenkins: great pick, potential all pro Jace Sternberger : bust Dexter Williams: bust 2020: Jordan Love - Hasn't seen the field enough to justify first round selection AJ Dillon - good player, bad value for 2nd round Josiah Deguara - bust Jon Runyan - below average starter so far Jake Hanson - bust Simon Stepaniak - bust 2021: Josh Myers - Below average so far, might be good Amari Rodgers - very bad to this point, not ready to declare bust but it doesnt look promising so far Royce Newman - he has just been flat olut awful Cole Van Lanen - never saw the field even with all the injuries on the OL Kylin Hill - barely saw the field 18 players taken on offense over the last 3 years and only 5 of them have been what I would consider above replacement level players. When it comes to those 5 players only Jenkins and Dillon have produced on the field at an above average level. MVS hasn't proven he deserves a 2nd contract. Myers and Runyan its too early to make a determination yet. Obviously I'm not expecting him to hit on every pick or even 50% of his picks but so far his track record when drafting on offense has been very sub-par. You're telling me that his hit rate with non premium picked is around 25%? You understand that's phenomenal right? It's probably only really good when you look at the positions selected, but this isn't the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, DWhitehurst said: Need an upgrade from Deguara. He makes one "Rudy" play in college and Lafleur falls in love with him for his "try hard". He's just not talented. The Oline was overrated going into the playoffs--losing Jenkins in season hurt alot and in my 20/20 hindsight, they should have taken Creed Humphrey instead of Josh Meyers. Rodgers did suck in this game, and I've not heard him admit it as of yet. Deguara is an H Back that got tapped to play B End. I'm not going to say he's playing it of position but he was playing out of role. Both Davante and Lazard are really good football players, but it you were to swap their roles, neither would be half as good. No **** they should have taken Creed Humphrey in hindsight. Bold ******* take you've got there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: You're telling me that his hit rate with non premium picked is around 25%? You understand that's phenomenal right? It's probably only really good when you look at the positions selected, but this isn't the problem. I expect more production from 3 draft classes worth of players. Only 2 of them have seen the field with any consistency while Myers and Runyan I'm being cautiously optimistic about, they could still be bad. Fact of the matter is our best guys on offense were not drafted by Gute. Rodgers, Jones, Bak, and Adams were all drafted by TT, and those are just the guys still on the team from this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Deguara is an H Back that got tapped to play B End. I'm not going to say he's playing it of position but he was playing out of role. Both Davante and Lazard are really good football players, but it you were to swap their roles, neither would be half as good. No **** they should have taken Creed Humphrey in hindsight. Bold ******* take you've got there. Deguara is an undersized TE that can't block and has stone hands. You wanna know why Rodgers targeted Adams so much against San Fran? Because he's the best WR on the planet, and he's better than the rest of our pass catchers combined. You get that guy the ball as much as you can. You like to slam Rodgers for missing one throw to Lazard but refuse to acknowledge that when he did throw it to Deguara the guy dropped it when nobody was within 10 yards of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkySauce Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: It's mental gymnastics to say he wasn't a reason they lost. [...] But saying, "He shouldn't be getting a ton of flack because if everybody else has performed perfectly we would have won" is such an illogical argument I can't even take it seriously. Every single point SF scored with the possible exception of the last three points came from ST meltdowns . . . you don't want to consider that as a logical argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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