NYRaider Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, mtmmike said: To hang your hat on a qb that is below average in the playoffs. Stafford was below average in the playoffs with the Lions as well but the Rams recognized that if they added a player with his skill-set it could open up their offense and potentially get them over the hump. They didn't harp on the fact that Goff had an MVP caliber season on a Super Bowl team a couple of years earlier, they recognized that he just wasn't going to get it done. The Browns recognized the same thing with Baker, lol. Watson's situation in Houston wasn't great, their OL was terrible, their run game wasn't very good, coaching staff was a mess, and they traded away his best WR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Watson's situation in Houston wasn't great, their OL was terrible, their run game wasn't very good, coaching staff was a mess, and they traded away his best WR. Don't forget they had the most unqualified GM in sports giving out no trade clauses and FRPs... for nothing whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, ET80 said: in fact, no QB does 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, Soggust said: ?? Deshaun put up 5,267 yards in 2020 (4823/444 pass/rush) Staffords best year ('11) he put up 5,116 (5038/78). Oh yes remember Stafford wins super bowl And deshaun is 1 win 2 losses in the playoffs In the Games Deshaun has played Mahomes did you really think deshaun watson better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Watson's situation in Houston wasn't great, their OL was terrible, their run game wasn't very good, coaching staff was a mess, and they traded away his best WR. Ok - gonna preface this by saying that I'm in no way defending the Texans. Not even in the slightest. I think a good portion of the OL issues in Houston were BECAUSE of Deshaun Watson. Watson has a fatal flaw - he holds onto the ball for way too long, he doesn't take a check down and will take 3-4 seconds longer than he should to get rid of it. Part of it is because he's so good at creating off script, but that doesn't always lead to a successful play - it leads to a lot of sacks, a lot of unnecessary contact. It'll occasionally lead to a WOW play, but there's bad to it as well. I'm not saying the Texans OL is good - it's not - but in those Watson days, he deserved some of the blame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Stafford was below average in the playoffs with the Lions as well but the Rams recognized that if they added a player with his skill-set it could open up their offense and potentially get them over the hump. They didn't harp on the fact that Goff had an MVP caliber season on a Super Bowl team a couple of years earlier, they recognized that he just wasn't going to get it done. The Browns recognized the same thing with Baker, lol. Watson's situation in Houston wasn't great, their OL was terrible, their run game wasn't very good, coaching staff was a mess, and they traded away his best WR. Excellent post. Just a question if Mayfield goes to New Orleans and plays Deshaun head to head who wins the game .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, mtmmike said: Oh yes remember Stafford wins super bowl And deshaun is 1 win 2 losses in the playoffs In the Games Deshaun has played Mahomes did you really think deshaun watson better Stafford 0-1 vs Mahomes Watson 1-2 vs Mahomes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, ET80 said: Ok - gonna preface this by saying that I'm in no way defending the Texans. Not even in the slightest. I think a good portion of the OL issues in Houston were BECAUSE of Deshaun Watson. Watson has a fatal flaw - he holds onto the ball for way too long, he doesn't take a check down and will take 3-4 seconds longer than he should to get rid of it. Part of it is because he's so good at creating off script, but that doesn't always lead to a successful play - it leads to a lot of sacks, a lot of unnecessary contact. It'll occasionally lead to a WOW play, but there's bad to it as well. I'm not saying the Texans OL is good - it's not - but in those Watson days, he deserved some of the blame. Excellent post maybe your best yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Soggust said: Stafford 0-1 vs Mahomes Watson 1-2 vs Mahomes Nice dodge Mayfield 0 wins 2 losses against mahomes. Mahomes is clearly better than Deshaun's . At least in the games I gave seen. Edited April 12, 2022 by mtmmike Stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Just now, mtmmike said: Nice dodge Mayfield 0 wins 2 losses against Mahomes is clearly better than Deshaun's . At least in the games I gave seen. haha tyty So if we say Mayfields 0-2 vs Mahomes > Watson's 1-2......are we saying wins are not a QB stat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, mtmmike said: Excellent post. Just a question if Mayfield goes to New Orleans and plays Deshaun head to head who wins the game .? Probably Baker Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 6 hours ago, NYRaider said: Unlikely, he probably ends up in Seattle on draft night or if the Browns ultimately decide to cut him. I don't think Seattle wants him. There's no indication anyone wants him. Browns won't cut him because it saves them no money and they need somebody to start if/when Watson is suspended. 2 hours ago, Forge said: Was listening to Will Brinson, who quoted Josh Norris, who said that maybe there isn't as much "mutual disinterest" between Baker and the Panthers as previously reported Oh, did Baker finally realize how limited his options were, so the disinterest is purely on Carolina's side now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Soggust said: haha tyty So if we say Mayfields 0-2 vs Mahomes > Watson's 1-2......are we saying wins are not a QB stat? I am not saying Mayfield is better than mahomes. That is a dodge but are you saying Deshaun beats Mahomes sense Cleveland cleary has the better team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Probably Baker Mayfield That is the point of this discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Blue said: I don't think Seattle wants him. There's no indication anyone wants him. Browns won't cut him because it saves them no money and they need somebody to start if/when Watson is suspended. I can't imagine that it'd be great for the locker room or team chemistry to have Baker in training camp, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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