NYRaider Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: We’ve made some terrible picks over the years but trading up to #3 to take Levis would probably be the worst pick in franchise history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, NYRaider said: It sounds like the Colts are prepared to take Levis at #4. If you want a QB you basically have to get to #3. Interesting. I’d absolutely pass on moving up. Far too much cost and risk for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 I’m hoping it’s all smoke , no fire personally. I’d absolutely hate a trade up this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Devilshark69 said: I’m hoping it’s all smoke , no fire personally. I’d absolutely hate a trade up this year. I think it’s real. I mean we know for a fact they were in discussions with the Bears about #1 already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Devilshark69 said: To me it’s very simple, and no need for overthinking this. All 4 this year have “questions” so to speak. Then leave them to others. Wait for next years draft. Do what ya gotta do next year to secure “the guy”. We’re not gonna keep pace with Herbert and mahomie with a “maybe”. Go with someone like DTR later in the draft to develope and be the back up for this year. The only challenge I see with this is the Raiders may not select this high again, so there is risk you can't get the guy. Same logic Seattle is applying when thinking QB in the draft. You don't get a lot of opportunities to draft this high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, NYRaider said: It sounds like the Colts are prepared to take Levis at #4. If Carolina won't trade down to #4, yes. A RBquaQB (aka a "RBQ") such as Anthony Richardson will appeal to a certain type of team: decoy WRs, often a fine TE, great defense, and willing to replace that asset every five or six years. The antipodal opposite of the Raiders. Think Carolina (28th in 2022 WR targeting; remember Cam Newton?) or Baltimore (30th, Lamar Jackson?) here. Ziegler will probably "let the field decide": sit with Garoppolo unless Levis or Hooker is still around at #38 (as unlikely as that may be). Trading up to #3 is out of the question but trading from #38 into the first round for Levis-Hooker is a vague possibility. While the franchise has other priorities I'd be surprised if Ziegler took anything other than a CB [or DL] at #7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 In order to get Williams or Maye, would have to be in the top 3. MH2 I believe could go #2 if the team already has a QB. I believe both 2023 and 2024 has starting caliber QBs all over it Penix, Nix, Rattler , Pratt , Leary, Hartmann are potentially the 2nd level who will be drafted next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Just now, big_palooka said: The only challenge I see with this is the Raiders may not select this high again, so there is risk you can't get the guy. Same logic Seattle is applying when thinking QB in the draft. You don't get a lot of opportunities to draft this high. I understand that bro, and I get it. Call me pessimistic but I just don’t see us being very good this year if I’m being honest. Hell I tried to be optimistic last year in spite of my gut feeling. I have zero optimism this year. I truly believe well be picking in the top 10 again. We’ll see. And no, I’m in no way hoping for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dr A W Niloc said: If Carolina won't trade down to #4, yes. A RBquaQB (aka a "RBQ") such as Anthony Richardson will appeal to a certain type of team: decoy WRs, often a fine TE, great defense, and willing to replace that asset every five or six years. The antipodal opposite of the Raiders. Think Carolina (28th in 2022 WR targeting; remember Cam Newton?) or Baltimore (30th, Lamar Jackson?) here. Ziegler will probably "let the field decide": sit with Garoppolo unless Levis or Hooker is still around at #38 (as unlikely as that may be). Trading up to #3 is out of the question but trading from #38 into the first round for Levis-Hooker is a vague possibility. While the franchise has other priorities I'd be surprised if Ziegler took anything other than a CB [or DL] at #7. Idk Ziegler has been overly aggressive when it comes to skill position guys and extremely conservative addressing other position groups / the defense. We only carried 7 OL so that we could keep 5 RB and then didn’t use any of them except Jacobs lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, NYRaider said: We’ve made some terrible picks over the years but trading up to #3 to take Levis would probably be the worst pick in franchise history. Wouldn't even be top 5. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: In order to get Williams or Maye, would have to be in the top 3. MH2 I believe could go #2 if the team already has a QB. I believe both 2023 and 2024 has starting caliber QBs all over it Penix, Nix, Rattler , Pratt , Leary, Hartmann are potentially the 2nd level who will be drafted next year. Ewers > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, big_palooka said: The only challenge I see with this is the Raiders may not select this high again, so there is risk you can't get the guy. Same logic Seattle is applying when thinking QB in the draft. You don't get a lot of opportunities to draft this high. Also Seattle wasn’t picking this high, they’re playing with funny money, they have 2 firsts so they can afford a miss easier than we can by far. Slightly better situation than us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Just now, big_palooka said: Wouldn't even be top 5. Giving up multiple firsts / premium picks to move up for a 24 year old QB who’s weaknesses are pocket presence, accuracy, decision making, and reading defenses… It’d definitely be up there because we’d be setting’s ourselves back 2-4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Wouldn't even be top 5. Right, jawalrus will ALWAYS be #1. Even league wide! Lol + smmfh!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Devilshark69 said: I understand that bro, and I get it. Call me pessimistic but I just don’t see us being very good this year if I’m being honest. Hell I tried to be optimistic last year in spite of my gut feeling. I have zero optimism this year. I truly believe well be picking in the top 10 again. We’ll see. And no, I’m in no way hoping for that. You need to picking top 3 to land "the guy" in any draft. If Williams and Maye were in this class, they'd go 1 and 2. Depends on Jimmy G's health for me. I think he stays relatively healthy and they are a .500 team. I don't write him off as injured like most. Most his things are freaky and unrelated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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