raidr4life Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Corners: Pure Coverage: 1a) Witherspoon 1b) Gonzalez 1c) Banks 4) Porter Jr All three neck and neck imo. And Porter is not bad. Dog: 1a) Witherspoon 1b) Banks 3a) Porter Jr. 3b) Gonzalez I wouldn’t say any of the four are push overs though. Even Gonzalez is feisty and an aggressive tackler, even if he’s more finesse/coverage. Size: 1a) Porter Jr. 1b) Gonzalez 1c) Banks 4) Witherspoon Speed: 1a) Banks - 4.35 1b) Gonzalez - 4.38 3a) Witherspoon - 4.42-4.46 3b) Porter Jr. - 4.46 All good here. Hips: 1) Gonzalez 2a) Witherspoon 2b) Banks 4) Porter Jr. Press Ability: 1a) Banks 1b) Porter Jr. 3) Witherspoon 4) Gonzalez Instincts: I’m not gonna rank this. Gonzalez, Witherspoon, and Banks have shown elite instincts. Porter Jr. has not. Pretty solid four prospects, can’t go wrong with any of them. Even Porter Jr. like someone said, his size and speed against Kelce might prove really useful. Banks ran 4.35 at the combine Spoon ran 4.42 and 4.46 at his private workout for teams. Edited April 14, 2023 by raidr4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, raidr4life said: I think it's all smoke. I was about to go back and edit my post to add I think it’s just smoke or an angle, but got distracted. Edited April 14, 2023 by jimkelly02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Banks ran 4.35 at the combine Spoon ran 4.42 and 4.46 at his private workout for teams. Pretty standard to take off 0.05 to 0.07 off a Pro Day 40 or Private Workouts. Sometimes even a full 0.1 is appropriate. It’s no where near as accurate as combine 40’s and never will be. And I did just that for both Banks and Witherspoon. 0.05 - 0.07 from 4.35 on Banks and 0.05 - 0.07 from 4.42 on Witherspoon. And I love Banks, a lot. I still remember the 2020 Draft where there wasn’t a combine and every WR/CB and their mama ran a 4.3 lol. Edited April 14, 2023 by BayRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) I didn’t realize Banks 40 was indeed AT the combine. I thought it was a Pro Day or Private Workout. I stand corrected. Banks is 4.35, actually legit combine number. Makes me like him even more. I will go edit my post. Edited April 14, 2023 by BayRaider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) I also remember when Arnette ran a 4.56 at the combine and Mayock timed him at like 4.46 and everyone on the forum is like “he’s 4.4 speed!!!”. No he wasn’t lmao. Arnette was a clear Mid 4.5 guy on tape all day. Combine is the truth. Pro Day 40’s and Private Workout 40’s are not completely useless, they definitely run somewhere between 0.05 to 0.12 slower than their private time. It’s at least a decent baseline. Like if his Private Workout 40 is 4.45, his real speed definitely isn’t 4.65. Edited April 14, 2023 by BayRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, BayRaider said: I also remember when Arnette ran a 4.56 at the combine and Mayock timed him at like 4.46 and everyone on the forum is like “he’s 4.4 speed!!!”. No he wasn’t lmao. Arnette was a clear Mid 4.5 guy on tape all day. Combine is the truth. Pro Day 40’s and Private Workout 40’s are not completely useless, they definitely run somewhere between 0.05 to 0.12 slower than their private time. It’s at least a decent baseline. Like if his Private Workout 40 is 4.45, his real speed definitely isn’t 4.65. I’m still convinced that the clock started early… I’m not saying he’s 4.4 speed or whatever and the dudes a maggot.. but either the person who made that slow mo tape faked the edit or my eyes are going bad. and Mayock wasn’t the only one to time him at 4.4X there were several other teams who did to. I think Arnette could have flinched his hand and it triggered the start…. That’s my theory. https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/03/report-rival-afc-team-timed-raiders-cb-damon-arnette-running-a-4-47-40-yard-dash/ Edited April 15, 2023 by jimkelly02 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: Pretty standard to take off 0.05 to 0.07 off a Pro Day 40 or Private Workouts. Sometimes even a full 0.1 is appropriate. It’s no where near as accurate as combine 40’s and never will be. And I did just that for both Banks and Witherspoon. 0.05 - 0.07 from 4.35 on Banks and 0.05 - 0.07 from 4.42 on Witherspoon. And I love Banks, a lot. I still remember the 2020 Draft where there wasn’t a combine and every WR/CB and their mama ran a 4.3 lol. Banks ran 4.35 at the combine official so why you adding to his? And I tend to believe private workout more than Pro day. Plenty of teams there to verify Witherspoon fast. Edited April 15, 2023 by raidr4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: I also remember when Arnette ran a 4.56 at the combine and Mayock timed him at like 4.46 and everyone on the forum is like “he’s 4.4 speed!!!”. No he wasn’t lmao. Arnette was a clear Mid 4.5 guy on tape all day. Combine is the truth. Pro Day 40’s and Private Workout 40’s are not completely useless, they definitely run somewhere between 0.05 to 0.12 slower than their private time. It’s at least a decent baseline. Like if his Private Workout 40 is 4.45, his real speed definitely isn’t 4.65. But the clock did actually start early 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, raidr4life said: But the clock did actually start early As it does for a ton of prospects… you fell for Arnette’s PR team quite hard. The combine 40 time is their speed, period. Just like if there’s an “injury” I don’t care, even if it’s documented. If he was truly injured he wouldn’t be running. It’s all PR cleanup. Edited April 15, 2023 by BayRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, BayRaider said: As it does for a ton of prospects… you fell for Arnette’s PR team quite hard. The combine 40 time is their speed, period. Just like if there’s an “injury” I don’t care, even if it’s documented. If he was truly injured he wouldn’t be running. It’s all PR cleanup. Lmao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 4 hours ago, BayRaider said: Pretty standard to take off 0.05 to 0.07 off a Pro Day 40 or Private Workouts. Sometimes even a full 0.1 is appropriate. It’s no where near as accurate as combine 40’s and never will be. And I did just that for both Banks and Witherspoon. 0.05 - 0.07 from 4.35 on Banks and 0.05 - 0.07 from 4.42 on Witherspoon. And I love Banks, a lot. I still remember the 2020 Draft where there wasn’t a combine and every WR/CB and their mama ran a 4.3 lol. So you’re just making your own 40s now lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Geezy said: So you’re just making your own 40s now lol No pretty common to take off at least 0.05 from non combine times, almost everyone does and knows that. Pro Day and Training Day 40’s are notorious for being inaccurate and faster than the combine. As for my own personal belief, I do think more than 0.05 is necessary sometimes. Edited April 15, 2023 by BayRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 10 hours ago, raidr4life said: Lmao! Yeah, save that one it’s a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 8 hours ago, Geezy said: So you’re just making your own 40s now lol Essentially… and he does his own psych evals…. There’s nothing stopping this guy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 If the clock starts early for “tons of prospects” how is the combine’s time true gold standard? that’s open to everyone to solve… it’s todays riddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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