43M Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Just now, warfelg said: While I wouldn’t mind seeing him gone - that still doesn’t explain the difference between what he wants in a punter and what we bring in to work with. The fact that no one can explain it is part of the reason he should be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, 43M said: The fact that no one can explain it is part of the reason he should be gone. Not quite sure how that’s on him but ok. I mean I’m not going to fight that he shouldn’t be fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 hours ago, warfelg said: Not quite sure how that’s on him but ok. I mean I’m not going to fight that he shouldn’t be fired. Its not on him that he keeps trying to pound a square peg into a round hole? Maybe its not 100% on him, but a good coach adapts to a players skillset. And since it seems to be an issue for him, its on Tomlin and the front office for not giving him the player he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 It is impossible to believe that Smith does not have the final say on drafting a punter. My bet is he has a say on the rds 6-7 as ST'ers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, jebrick said: It is impossible to believe that Smith does not have the final say on drafting a punter. My bet is he has a say on the rds 6-7 as ST'ers. What’s more possible: - Coaches being so involved in the pre-draft process that they can overrule scouts. - Scouts and coaches, even after years working together, not being on the same page of what they need to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 43 minutes ago, warfelg said: What’s more possible: - Coaches being so involved in the pre-draft process that they can overrule scouts. - Scouts and coaches, even after years working together, not being on the same page of what they need to get. #1 is more likely but #2 is also common when a coach can't explain what they want. I could see that for a CB but not a punter. You want a big leg but directional accuracy. That is simple. I was watching the Jets/Cowboys game where punters were booming 60+ yard punts. Punter were dropping the ball inside the 10 yard line whenever asked. so the punters are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, jebrick said: #1 is more likely but #2 is also common when a coach can't explain what they want. I could see that for a CB but not a punter. You want a big leg but directional accuracy. That is simple. I was watching the Jets/Cowboys game where punters were booming 60+ yard punts. Punter were dropping the ball inside the 10 yard line whenever asked. so the punters are there. It’s more #2 than #1. Steelers fans think the positional coaches are much more involved than they are. They only really get involved then it’s a toss up between two players. I would say we got more here Danny Smith is struggling to explain what he wants. Those ones booming big punts only have ok accuracy. Those ST coaches change coverage schemes to fit the punter, while Smith is trying to change the punter to fit his scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, warfelg said: It’s more #2 than #1. Steelers fans think the positional coaches are much more involved than they are. They only really get involved then it’s a toss up between two players. I would say we got more here Danny Smith is struggling to explain what he wants. Those ones booming big punts only have ok accuracy. Those ST coaches change coverage schemes to fit the punter, while Smith is trying to change the punter to fit his scheme. Then we need to get a new ST coach. If he can't explain that he wants a directional punter then he's dumber than we imagined. Either way you suss this out, Danny Smith needs to go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, MOSteelers56 said: Then we need to get a new ST coach. If he can't explain that he wants a directional punter then he's dumber than we imagined. Either way you suss this out, Danny Smith needs to go. Like I said at the start, and even in PS, the issue is that what we get and what he wants don’t match. But I know that the coaches aren’t as involved in the draft process that most assume. They join the process in full about 2 weeks after the season ends. Scouts are generally on the case in a 2 year cycle. The head coaches involved in the process generally only get involved in RD 1/2 guys about 6 months out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, warfelg said: Like I said at the start, and even in PS, the issue is that what we get and what he wants don’t match. But I know that the coaches aren’t as involved in the draft process that most assume. They join the process in full about 2 weeks after the season ends. Scouts are generally on the case in a 2 year cycle. The head coaches involved in the process generally only get involved in RD 1/2 guys about 6 months out. I'm not arguing that really. That's a good insight into the process. I think if the team wants boomer punters and the coach wants directional punters and we draft boomers who get neutered by the coach, then the coach is the issue. He's not buying in to the team concept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, MOSteelers56 said: I'm not arguing that really. That's a good insight into the process. I think if the team wants boomer punters and the coach wants directional punters and we draft boomers who get neutered by the coach, then the coach is the issue. He's not buying in to the team concept. Yea it’s one of those baffling things that I just can’t make sense of. I think it comes down to his understanding of the winds and turf in Heinz/The Big Sure and what it means for FG/XPT and that insight it worth the trade off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, MOSteelers56 said: Then we need to get a new ST coach. If he can't explain that he wants a directional punter then he's dumber than we imagined. Either way you suss this out, Danny Smith needs to go. what if Tomlin is telling smith what to do and thats the problem? How can we find out? Probably never will find out, but we can keep watching and know what to expect. It bothers me when other teams have ST that are much better in punting and field position that results. Edited September 18, 2023 by 3rivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 what does everyone here think of the emergency landing the team made in KC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Oil was leaking from an engine. It was a safety issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 7 hours ago, jebrick said: Oil was leaking from an engine. It was a safety issue. maybe a close call, fate or not, a bit of a scare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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