CWood21 Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, StLunatic88 said: Except this would be Selling, whole different ball game than us almost getting a guy I'd make the argument it's re-tooling, and based on Mo's comments it seems they've shifted their eyes from 2018 to 2019. They're not trading for anyone who is a rental. They want control through at least next year. I do think Norris gets dealt, because quite frankly there's no reason to hold onto him. But I don't think a Martinez deal materializes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times reports that the Rays have asked teams interested in Chris Archer to submit their final trade offers. Topkin lists the Braves, Cardinals, Dodgers, Padres and Yankees as the teams that are "most interested" in Archer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 44 minutes ago, kgarrett12486 said: final trade offers Carson Kelly & Jose Martinez. Throw in Gomer to top it off. Probably the best offer they’re gonna get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holt_bruce81 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Tyler O’Neil not in the lineup for the 2nd straight game. Carson Kelly is also on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holt_bruce81 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Ozuna has been on fire the last few games, that’s great to see. Crazy what a little head shift can do. For those that don’t know, Buddha (new hitting coach) suggested to Ozuna that he needed to turn his head so he could see the pitches with both eyes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, holt_bruce81 said: Ozuna has been on fire the last few games, that’s great to see. Crazy what a little head shift can do. For those that don’t know, Buddha (new hitting coach) suggested to Ozuna that he needed to turn his head so he could see the pitches with both eyes. Buddha: “Marcell, using your eyes is important to hitting.” Mabry: “lulz idk Marcell, try pretending you’re pinch hitting.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Good news is that Carlos Martinez's MRI revealed just a shoulder strain, no damage. Bad news is he's headed back to the DL. Time to just shut him down for year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris00cm Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Rays are the last team I expected a deal with. Hopefully doesn't include Archer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, chris00cm said: Hopefully doesn't include Archer. Why wouldnt you want Archer? Regardless, while its probably not the return most wanted, I think its good that we have moved on from Pham. Its one thing to have that chip on your shouolder when you are balling out like last year, but when you regress like he has, you just become a malcontent whining for a new contract. I was a big Pham supporter, but with all the talent we have available at CF now, he becomes redundant and about to hit Arbitration, let someone else deal with it, and going to Tampa keeps him out of our hair ging forward. Williams seems like an interesting Bat from the Left side, and some people really really like Cabrera. Two Top 20ish prospects from arguably the deepest farm systems in the league isnt the worst return for 2018 Tommy Pham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris00cm Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, StLunatic88 said: Why wouldnt you want Archer? Regardless, while its probably not the return most wanted, I think its good that we have moved on from Pham. Its one thing to have that chip on your shouolder when you are balling out like last year, but when you regress like he has, you just become a malcontent whining for a new contract. I was a big Pham supporter, but with all the talent we have available at CF now, he becomes redundant and about to hit Arbitration, let someone else deal with it, and going to Tampa keeps him out of our hair ging forward. Williams seems like an interesting Bat from the Left side, and some people really really like Cabrera. Two Top 20ish prospects from arguably the deepest farm systems in the league isnt the worst return for 2018 Tommy Pham I'm not a fan of pitchers with ace hype but only two pitches. He a solid guy, but will never be worth what they want. Ridding Pham for this package reeks of a desperation move. While I like the idea of getting O'Neil in the lineup, I can't help but think were getting rid of another player that will flourish else where. Kind of tired of seeing this happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, chris00cm said: Kind of tired of seeing this happen. Flourish? Im not sure who you think has done that? Because it hasnt been Piscotty or Grichuck. They have been exactly what we knew they were, and that wasnt nearly enough to get this team into contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holt_bruce81 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Hopefully more moves are coming. Hoping Norris goes soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Wow, shocked at the Pham deal. Didn't think we'd deal him just because of the control he still had, even with arbitration. Glad to see it though. We had to move on from one of our current three veteran OFs. I expected it to be Dexter though in the offseason, and that still could happen... Haven't had a chance to dig into the return yet, but from hearing 1st reports sounds like an ok return. Nothing great. After the season Pham has put up in 2018, wasn't expecting a great return anyway... We should now see O'Neill up here and playing consistently now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: Flourish? Im not sure who you think has done that? Because it hasnt been Piscotty or Grichuck. They have been exactly what we knew they were, and that wasnt nearly enough to get this team into contention. Agreed. I don't think Pham's 2017 numbers are indicative of who he is. Just one of those massive seasons you see from a relatively league average player every once in a while... I really liked Pham, but I think he's shown in 2018 what you can expect from him as an everyday CF over 145+ games. Plus. His defense in CF drastically fell off this year. Looking at trends in baseball show that majority of CFs have a steep decline in defensive metrics after 30-31 years of age... I can't really remember the last guy traded off that went on to thrive? I know Gonzales has been a stud this year, but no real track record there. Need to see it for another year before I submit that one. I guess it would be Kyle Barraclaugh, but he was more of a prospect still and not really highly regarded by anyone... Edited July 31, 2018 by kgarrett12486 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, holt_bruce81 said: Hopefully more moves are coming. Hoping Norris goes soon... I think Norris is sure thing to be moved either today or on waivers. BTW, with all the BP FA and trade fails we've had recently, this one deserves some praise. We basically signed him off the scrap heap for peanuts. He was our best/most consistent BP piece all year and excelled. We're now likely going to move him for some asset... Well done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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