CWood21 Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 hours ago, LeotheLion said: Goldy is pathetic 3 runs and 12 hits is inexcusable for the offense. Arenado and Goldy going a combined 1-15 with 6 strikeouts is brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, twslhs20 said: How the hell do you fix this team? Not sure you're going to fix it with a single move. You start by hoping that Arenado opts-in (likely), re-sign Quintana, and see what Waino wants to do. Unless you're confident in Andrew Knizner, you're probably in the catcher market. Unless you're paying big bucks to Wilson Conteras (not opposed), you're probably overpaying for a mediocre backup catcher. 1B is Goldy, 2B is Edman unless you're moving him to SS, and Arenado mans 3B. OF is likely Nootbar, Carlson, and O'Neill. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttitansfan4life Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) Well DeWitt certainly got what he wanted. Made a ton of money this year without actually improving the roster. Not sure he can get away with that next year without the farewell tours. Maybe finally use the money you made to improve the roster. If Waino returns, he shouldn’t be relied on as a top end starter again. Flaherty damn sure shouldn’t be relied on to start a full season. We also shouldn’t be experimenting with the whole Hicks as a starter thing again either. Hudson? Eh but he’ll likely be in the rotation. Unfortunately, we’re stuck with Matz as well. That leaves us Matz, Hudson, Monty, and Mikolas as starters. I don’t know what’s available in FA but if there’s a top end starter available, we should be going after him. Definitely should try getting Quintana back as well and put Hudson in the bullpen. The lineup I have no clue about but they should be doing everything they can to get rid of DeJong. TON, Carlson, Noot likely start the season as the OF trio. Yepez/Gorman the DH duo? Goldy, Edman, and Arenado in the IF. Edman playing SS and we find let Donovan/Gorman start at 2B? Edman at 2B and we find a SS? Catcher definitely needs to be addressed but is Contreras worth what he’ll likely want? I think Knizner showed this year, he shouldn’t be starting everyday. We need a 3rd star and hopefully all 3 don’t go in a damn slump come September and the postseason because Goldy and Nolan have been pathetic for the last month plus. Your star players should never have slumps that long. Edited October 9, 2022 by ttitansfan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 C - ??? 1B - Paul Goldschmidt [$26M] 2B - Tommy Edman [Arb 1] SS - ??? 3B - Nolan Arenado [$35M] LF - Tyler O'Neill [Arb 2] CF - Dylan Carlson [MIN] RF - Lars Nootbar [MIN] SP - Miles Mikolas [$16.75M] SP - Jordan Montgomery [Arb 4] SP - Jack Flaherty [Arb 3] SP - Steven Matz [$10.5M] SP - Dakota Hudson [Arb 2] SP - Alex Reyes [Arb 3] RP - Giovanny Gallegos [$4.75M] RP - Ryan Helsley [Arb 1] RP - Chris Stratton [Arb 3] RP - Jordan Hicks [Arb 3] RP - Drew VerHagen [$3M] C - Andrew Knizner [Arb 1] SS - Paul DeJong [$9M] Anyone not listed is set to make minimum, so you're probably talking about $15Mish combined at most. Right now, they're just over $105.16M in salary. They should salary dump DeJong and VerHagen if they have the ability to do so. The biggest question are going to be the arbitration cases. Edman, O'Neill, Montgomery, Flaherty, Helsley, Hicks and Knizner are probably no-brainers. Alex Reyes seems like a foregone conclusion to get non-tendered even if he's probably not due for a sizeable pay bump. Dakota Hudson probably gets offered arbitration, since he's still relatively cheap. Chris Stratton probably gets non-tendered, but I could see them trying to re-sign him for cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 The obvious holes in this roster are SS and C heading into the offseason, but I think there are changes coming to the OF. We had some of the worst numbers among starting OFs in all of baseball the 2nd half. It's also a lot easier to find OF talent vs. C and SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Is Walker a 2nd half of 2023 callup or not until 2024 for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 The biggest thing facing the Cards is obviously Arenado's option. I dont think its anything to worry about necessarily, but they may have to give him an extension. After that, the next question needing answered, is Adam Wainwright coming back? Theres a chance he takes a long time to decide this, so unless he knows right away, you have to operate like you dont have him. We are locked into Mikolas, Monty, Matz and Jack for now. With some other young arms that can fill in the 5th spot (Hudson, Liberatore Thompson, Woodford... Reyes?) but we shouldnt limit ourselves here either. Would love to have Quintana back, and that would be a very nice rotation with some young arms who could supplement when the inevitable injury happens. But the biggest hole is obviously at Catcher. Knizner is fine, but thats about it. According to a tweet out there, Contrares has started his research on the Cardinals, and that would be the best move. You would then trade away Knizner, and hope Herrera is ready in a couple of years. Other than that move, just role with Knizner and hope the bat comes along. As for the OF, feels like that hinges on if we pay up for Contrares. If thats the case, maybe we package Knizer and DeJong to swap for someone else's under preforming bat, or we just roll out the Carlson/O'Neill/Noot/Yepez group again, until Walker is ready to be called up. I dont think its going to be some crazy active offseason, but if you could bring back Quintana and add in Contrares, I think that would be a productive offseason, setting up this team for success again. You have the Walker card to play when hes ready, as well as plenty of options to trade away and add talent throughout the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 15 hours ago, kgarrett12486 said: The obvious holes in this roster are SS and C heading into the offseason, but I think there are changes coming to the OF. We had some of the worst numbers among starting OFs in all of baseball the 2nd half. It's also a lot easier to find OF talent vs. C and SS. They're not going to do anything to block Jordan Walker, and after not willing to move Dylan Carlson in a potential Juan Soto deal he's probably cemented into one of the OF spots. Given the season that Tyler O'Neill had in 2021, he's probably going to get every chance to cement one of the cOF spots. Nootbar probably holds down one of the OF spots until Walker is ready. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 8 hours ago, LeotheLion said: Is Walker a 2nd half of 2023 callup or not until 2024 for him? I think as soon as we clear S2 territory, it's fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, CWood21 said: after not willing to move Dylan Carlson in a potential Juan Soto deal he's probably cemented into one of the OF spots. I’m not calling you out here, and I agree they truly see him as a pillar going forward, but I really hate seeing the narrative that we wouldn’t trade Carlson for Soto, because that is so far from reality We wouldn’t trade Carlson, plus Walker, plus Winn, plus plus plus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 I'm excited to see how Noot and Donovan look with a full season. Gorman is interesting for next year too. Where's he going to play? Donovan should be our every day guy at 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, MOSteelers56 said: I'm excited to see how Noot and Donovan look with a full season. Gorman is interesting for next year too. Where's he going to play? Donovan should be our every day guy at 2nd. Agreed that both Donovan and Edman should be our everyday Middle Infield. And right now Gorman should be looking like our regular DH as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, StLunatic88 said: And right now Gorman should be looking like our regular DH as well Oh yeah, that makes sense. I forgot about the DH. Hopefully he adjusts to how pitchers started throwing to him and he gets back to hitting. His bat could be big for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 4 hours ago, StLunatic88 said: Agreed that both Donovan and Edman should be our everyday Middle Infield. And right now Gorman should be looking like our regular DH as well IF (and that's a HUGE if) we could sign one of the SS, I'd do that in a heartbeat and use Donovan as a super-sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 14 hours ago, CWood21 said: IF (and that's a HUGE if) we could sign one of the SS, I'd do that in a heartbeat and use Donovan as a super-sub. Well yea… but we didn’t do it last year, hard to see us doing it this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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