beardown3231 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 We can talk about Landry all we want, but isn't Davenport the guy who we should be expecting if they stay at 8? As someone consistently posts, his combine numbers were superior to Aldon Smith. He is a freak of nature. He fills a need. Landry is blah at 11, 12 or 15 and good at 22 or 23, but Davenport fills a huge need at 8 with the measurables to back up Pace's past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsooie5 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 4 hours ago, DABEARSLCF04 said: Ward Clear BPA in that position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsooie5 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: We can talk about Landry all we want, but isn't Davenport the guy who we should be expecting if they stay at 8? As someone consistently posts, his combine numbers were superior to Aldon Smith. He is a freak of nature. He fills a need. Landry is blah at 11, 12 or 15 and good at 22 or 23, but Davenport fills a huge need at 8 with the measurables to back up Pace's past. Seems like a pretty even split around here in regards to Landry/Davenport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, pigsooie5 said: Seems like a pretty even split around here in regards to Landry/Davenport. 25 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: We can talk about Landry all we want, but isn't Davenport the guy who we should be expecting if they stay at 8? As someone consistently posts, his combine numbers were superior to Aldon Smith. He is a freak of nature. He fills a need. Landry is blah at 11, 12 or 15 and good at 22 or 23, but Davenport fills a huge need at 8 with the measurables to back up Pace's past. I can make an argument for and against either one. Depends on your flavor... Landry has an elite burst/bend (Von MIller/Khalil Mack) while Davenport has raw athleticism and power that needs to be harnessed (Aldon Smith). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: We can talk about Landry all we want, but isn't Davenport the guy who we should be expecting if they stay at 8? As someone consistently posts, his combine numbers were superior to Aldon Smith. He is a freak of nature. He fills a need. Landry is blah at 11, 12 or 15 and good at 22 or 23, but Davenport fills a huge need at 8 with the measurables to back up Pace's past. Both have serious upside and potential warts as well. Davenport looked poor at the start of the Senior Bowl from what I read, but adapted and looked good by the end. I'm not sure the transition comes as easily as he adapts to going against starters in the NFL. As G08 said, it really will come down to what Pace values, bend or power there. Both are physical freaks in their own ways. Landry's combine was fantastic. Harold Landry’s 6.88-second 3-cone at 252-pounds puts him in rarified air for top prospects. Below is every single 250-plus pound defensive lineman drafted in the first round that had a sub-6.9-second 3-cone: DeMarcus Ware J.J. Watt David Pollack Melvin Ingram Joey Bosa T.J. Watt Landry will be added to that list this month. Just a note to point out, Fangio developed Aldon Smith into a beast, but has yet do do so with Floyd (though we clearly have seen numerous flashes). Does he just happen to work better with power based players than he does speed guys? IDK, but it is another factor Pace should look at and might be tip of the hat to Davenport. Edited April 4, 2018 by Sugashane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I see Davenport as more of a 3 down OLB as he hammers out technique. Landry... I'm not so sure I see him as more than a pass-rushing specialist (at least at this point in his career). How many times did we not come off the field on 3rd down because our pass rush couldn't get home? More than I care to remember, which is why I think Landry makes a ton of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, G08 said: I can make an argument for and against either one. Depends on your flavor... Landry has an elite burst/bend (Von MIller/Khalil Mack) while Davenport has raw athleticism and power that needs to be harnessed (Aldon Smith). 27 minutes ago, Sugashane said: Both have serious upside and potential warts as well. Davenport looked poor at the start of the Senior Bowl from what I read, but adapted and looked good by the end. I'm not sure the transition comes as easily as he adapts to going against starters in the NFL. As G08 said, it really will come down to what Pace values, bend or power there. Both are physical freaks in their own ways. Landry's combine was fantastic. Harold Landry’s 6.88-second 3-cone at 252-pounds puts him in rarified air for top prospects. Below is every single 250-plus pound defensive lineman drafted in the first round that had a sub-6.9-second 3-cone: DeMarcus Ware J.J. Watt David Pollack Melvin Ingram Joey Bosa T.J. Watt Landry will be added to that list this month. Just a note to point out, Fangio developed Aldon Smith into a beast, but has yet do do so with Floyd (though we clearly have seen numerous flashes). Does he just happen to work better with power based players than he does speed guys? IDK, but it is another factor Pace should look at and might be tip of the hat to Davenport. I didn't know about 3 cone. Let me look. ... Stats aren't true. Our own Sam Acho ran a 6.69 at 262. 2011 Sam Acho Texas OLB 73.63 262 4.67 23 33.5 112 4.32 6.69 2018 Harold Landry Boston College OLB 75.00 252 4.64 24 36.0 119 4.19 6.88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Anthony Barr did it too. 2014 Anthony Barr UCLA OLB 76.88 255 4.66 15 34.5 117 4.19 6.82 2009 Connor Barwin Cincinnati OLB 75.63 256 4.59 21 40.5 128 4.18 6.87 2018 Leighton Vander Esch Boise State OLB 76.00 256 4.65 20 39.5 124 4.15 6.88 Leighton is an ILB I think, but they listed him at OLB. 2011 Chris Carter Frenso State (CA) OLB 73.13 248 4.58 27 36.0 114 4.34 6.88 Chris is a couple pounds off. A ton of OLB at 6.9ish and 250+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Here are DE's around 250 that did it: 2015 Mike Reilly William & Mary (VA) DE 76.00 265 4.82 30.5 109 4.11 6.76 2014 Trent Murphy Stanford DE 77.38 250 4.86 19 35.5 116 4.20 6.78 2016 James Cowser Southern Utah DE 75.13 248 4.82 21 31.5 111 4.31 6.80 2001 Kyle Vanden Bosch Nebraska DE 76.10 270 4.66 26 36.5 119 4.08 6.82 2001 Justin Kurpeikis Penn State DE 76.00 252 4.97 22 31.5 118 4.10 6.82 2014 Kony Ealy Missouri DE 76.00 273 4.92 22 31.0 113 4.45 6.83 2018 Sam Hubbard Ohio State DE 77.00 270 35.0 116 4.32 6.84 2005 David Pollack Georgia DE 74.10 265 4.81 25 37.0 118 3.90 6.86 2018 Kylie Fitts Utah DE 76.00 263 4.69 31 32.5 117 4.19 6.88 2011 Justin Watt Wisconsin DE 77.38 290 4.81 34 37.0 120 4.21 6.88 2013 Devin Taylor South Carolina DE 79.00 266 4.72 14 35.0 128 4.30 6.89 2016 Joey Bosa Ohio State DE 77.25 269 4.86 24 32.0 120 4.21 6.89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 It's a good stat, but I don't think any stat is the gotcha indicator. Terrell Suggs workout was horrible and he is one of best of all time. A bunch of guys with great workouts who never panned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 minute ago, dll2000 said: Anthony Barr did it too. 2014 Anthony Barr UCLA OLB 76.88 255 4.66 15 34.5 117 4.19 6.82 2009 Connor Barwin Cincinnati OLB 75.63 256 4.59 21 40.5 128 4.18 6.87 2018 Leighton Vander Esch Boise State OLB 76.00 256 4.65 20 39.5 124 4.15 6.88 Leighton is an ILB I think, but they listed him at OLB. 2011 Chris Carter Frenso State (CA) OLB 73.13 248 4.58 27 36.0 114 4.34 6.88 Chris is a couple pounds off. A ton of OLB at 6.9ish and 250+ Acho doesn't matter because I specifically mentioned first round picks. You will always have a few physical marvels who just are mediocre football players. The combination of size, CoD and talent (where the 1st round pick generally is credited to IMO) is what makes Landry a special case. You're naming Muphy and many others who were not in the "picked in the first round" category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I don't look at combine results really except height, weight and arm length because it's so often fools gold in either direction. I'm telling you Landry has a rare burst off edge with eyeball test. Much better than our own Floyd did in college. He is not without flaws, I would say he is comparable to Beasley for Atlanta coming out. Needs some work, but has great first step and bend. Floyd was kind of a poor man's Tremaine Edmunds in college. He is a good player, but surprised Bears targeted him like they did that early and even moved up for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sugashane said: Acho doesn't matter because I specifically mentioned first round picks. You will always have a few physical marvels who just are mediocre football players. The combination of size, CoD and talent (where the 1st round pick generally is credited to IMO) is what makes Landry a special case. You're naming Muphy and many others who were not in the "picked in the first round" category. My bad. I must have skimmed. I just looked for 250+ and 6.8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sugashane said: Acho doesn't matter because I specifically mentioned first round picks. You will always have a few physical marvels who just are mediocre football players. The combination of size, CoD and talent (where the 1st round pick generally is credited to IMO) is what makes Landry a special case. You're naming Muphy and many others who were not in the "picked in the first round" category. Valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, dll2000 said: My bad. I must have skimmed. I just looked for 250+ and 6.8. It's all good. I agree with you though. these tests are just tools and the most important thing is to be a good football player. To me the tests might have something jump at you and make you go back and look at a player, or to verify what you already knew (like Landry's crazy burst). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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