DawgX Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, AngusMcFife said: I don't, though. Ryans and McVay are my clear choices. So you agree Stefanski did a better coaching job than Harbaugh this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, DawgX said: Yes, because the head coach isn't responsible for the team as a whole, right? Does he get no credit for hiring Schwartz? Lazy take. Stefanski is the GM now? The team as whole ended up where most people predicted, except Stefanski's side of the ball was garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, DawgX said: So you agree Stefanski did a better coaching job than Harbaugh this season? Sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, AngusMcFife said: Stefanski is the GM now? The team as whole ended up where most people predicted, except Stefanski's side of the ball was garbage. No, but you're crazy if you don't think he had a say in who the DC was. And that's a f'ing joke man. Look at the predictions on this forum alone before the season. Most thought we'd finish last or third in the division at best. Revisionist history right there. And that was before we got decimated by injuries. Again, no one is saying Stefanski would deserve COTY if we won 11 games with a relatively healthy roster. He deserves COTY (or Ryans) because he won 11 games with a roster decimated by injuries. And not just injuries to a bunch of JAGs, but injuries to very key players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Sure Okay, that's all I said. Glad you agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) On 12/29/2023 at 7:50 AM, Steelersfan43 said: Schefter reminding the world what a beast Marty S. was at winning in the regular season. 42 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: Feel like you forgot a major piece the puzzle here. Stefanski wont be considered because the Browns won 11 games. He will be considered because they won 11 games with the highest % of salary cap on IR in the NFL and winning games with 4 different starters and playing 5 different QBs total. Thats averages to be a different QB every 3.5 games of the season. He hit the grand slam Win a game with a rookie QB Win a game with a XFL QB Win a game with a overpaid creeper Win a game with a dad off the couch I believe, and I could be wrong, that the Rams played the entire season with more dead cap (roughly $70m-$75m) than cap space the Browns had on IR. 😉 EDIT: Our season-ending dead cap figure was actually at $79.38m (35.3% of the cap). Edited January 10 by jrry32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, DawgX said: No, but you're crazy if you don't think he had a say in who the DC was. And that's a f'ing joke man. Look at the predictions on this forum alone before the season. Most thought we'd finish last or third in the division at best. Revisionist history right there. And that was before we got decimated by injuries. Again, no one is saying Stefanski would deserve COTY if we won 11 games with a relatively healthy roster. He deserves COTY (or Ryans) because he won 11 games with a roster decimated by injuries. And not just injuries to a bunch of JAGs, but injuries to very key players. Yes I am not trying to diminish him. He's a good coach. They had a lot of injuries. But to me the COTY award has shifting criteria. You can give it to the coach of the best team. Or you can give it to the coach of team that was supposed to be bad but made the playoffs. Or now people are arguing you can give it to the coach of the team that slightly exceeded expectations but had a lot of injuries. But I just don't remember anyone advocating for this in the past. Who are the precedents for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, AngusMcFife said: Yes I am not trying to diminish him. He's a good coach. They had a lot of injuries. But to me the COTY award has shifting criteria. You can give it to the coach of the best team. Or you can give it to the coach of team that was supposed to be bad but made the playoffs. Or now people are arguing you can give it to the coach of the team that slightly exceeded expectations but had a lot of injuries. But I just don't remember anyone advocating for this in the past. Who are the precedents for this? Taking a team who exceeded expectations is usually the winner it seems like. But I don't think there is a strict criteria to who wins it. That's why I wouldn't mind if Ryans or McVay won it. I just think Stefanski should get serious consideration for the award. He's done a phenomenal job coaching this team this season when many thought he may be fired by the end of the year. Even some of the most notable Stefanski haters in the Browns forum have sort of warmed up to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, DawgX said: Taking a team who exceeded expectations is usually the winner it seems like. But I don't think there is a strict criteria to who wins it. That's why I wouldn't mind if Ryans or McVay won it. I just think Stefanski should get serious consideration for the award. He's done a phenomenal job coaching this team this season when many thought he may be fired by the end of the year. Even some of the most notable Stefanski haters in the Browns forum have sort of warmed up to him. Props to him for bringing in Flacco. Kind of incredible how dumb the Jets look. Had they signed Flacco or Wentz, they might have been in playoff contention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 26 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: If Stefanski had taken a rag-tag group of offensive players and coached them up to an average unit, that would have been remarkable. But their offense was genuine garbage (28th in DVOA). Their success is due to having an awesome defense, which he doesn't coach. I'm just not going to credit him for with evaluating his backup QBs so poorly that he had to call up Flacco to save the season. That's not how COTY works, though. 22 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Th Ravens rotate their 3rd and 4th OTs in the game regularly with little drop off from the starters and had a top 5 offense. Am I supposed to be in awe of Cleveland using their 4th and 5th tackles on their way to a bottom 5 offense? Okay so we're not giving Stefanski credit for the defense because that's not his background, BUT we are giving Harbaugh credit for the OL, which is also something he doesn't coach? Fact is, teams like Baltimore who were picked to do good and then do good don't get COTY consideration. CLE was picked to do good and overachieved despite losing an insane amount of cap space to IR. That is absolutely phenomenal by Stefanski. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, DawgX said: Taking a team who exceeded expectations is usually the winner it seems like. But I don't think there is a strict criteria to who wins it. That's why I wouldn't mind if Ryans or McVay won it. I just think Stefanski should get serious consideration for the award. He's done a phenomenal job coaching this team this season when many thought he may be fired by the end of the year. Even some of the most notable Stefanski haters in the Browns forum have sort of warmed up to him. Fair. I agree he should be in consideration. But I do think the fact that he is the offensive playcaller and he let Schwartz do his thing on the defense should factor into the decision, given how their success is primarily defense driven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: That's not how COTY works, though. Okay so we're not giving Stefanski credit for the defense because that's not his background, BUT we are giving Harbaugh credit for the OL, which is also something he doesn't coach? It's not quite apples to apples, though. Harbaugh oversees the entire team and has a hand in every aspect of what the Ravens do, although he's not an expert in anything really. Stefanski is the offensive playcaller, and thus necessarily spends his time on play design and sequencing. I don't think Stefanski's influence on the defense is comparable to Harbaugh, because Stefanski is more of a specialist (offense) and Harbaugh is a generalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Props to him for bringing in Flacco. Kind of incredible how dumb the Jets look. Had they signed Flacco or Wentz, they might have been in playoff contention. It's not just he brought in Flacco that's impressive. It's that he got Flacco, who was always a risk-averse and conservative QB, to play like a maniac. If we find out that some alien inhabited Flacco's brain for this run, I wouldn't be shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: It's not quite apples to apples, though. Harbaugh oversees the entire team and has a hand in every aspect of what the Ravens do, although he's not an expert in anything really. He's literally a ST's background guy. And do you think Stefanski doesn't oversee the entire team as well just because he was an offensive guy? 4 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Stefanski is the offensive playcaller, and thus necessarily spends his time on play design and sequencing. I don't think Stefanski's influence on the defense is comparable to Harbaugh, because Stefanski is more of a specialist (offense) and Harbaugh is a generalist. There's no evidence harbaugh has anything to do with our defense, either. So if you cancel both fo those out for whatever it's worth, both teams performed well but CLE overachieved under significantly more adversity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillSabre Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I’m not sure why McDermott isn’t being mentioned in this conversation. Bills were 5-5 with many injuries to key players and won 6 of 7 games to storm back to win the division and secure the second seed. I mean, my vote would go to Ryans but my point remains. Not even a mention for him. Seems weird considering the circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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