SodeeWater_Cheezburger Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 On 4/6/2024 at 9:03 AM, Kael said: Apart from not being the target audience. There are a couple other things. One, halftime performers at the Superbowl aren't paid, they do it for free. Two, the NFL is obsessed with its halftime show being perfect. So much so they require the instrumental part of any act to be pre recorded so something can't go wrong. Which is why you almost never have bands at the halftime show. They have to pretend to play their instruments. Just look at the recent artists. Shakira and Jennifer Lopez, Snoop and Co, Bruno Mars, Rhianna and Usher. All are singers or rappers. Live instruments is not a part of their act. The RHCP got heat the last time they performed at the Superbowl because their instruments weren't plugged in. They weren't plugged in because the performance was never meant to be live. The NFL even prefers the signers to pre record their performance. Although it is not required and apparently some do and some do not. In my book, nothing will ever live up to the Prince halftime show. He was even willing to plug his guitar in during a torrential rain storm. That was the stuff of legend! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 On 4/8/2024 at 8:12 PM, Tugboat said: Ashlee Simpson did it with her vocals even and it was just fine. She did a cute lil dance and her career totally survived. But no, seriously, how familiar are you with audio engineering? Specifically, live music to the biggest broadcast audience of the year. Have ya'll ever spent time in a recording studio, moving a microphone around on a guitar amplifier cabinet by tiny fractions of an inch to find the exact place and axis that hits just right on the speaker cone? And then someone inadvertently bumps it slightly and it turns to awful scratchy bull****. Much less...understanding how all modern music is layered extensively to create the sounds and textures that make up the sound people expect to hear. And that's just one instrument. Bass is extremely difficult to translate. Drums at least you can usually get the mics pretty fixed for a lot of it...but it's still super finnicky and ya'll want to try to set up overhead mics to capture the cymbals and overall sound and spatial separation...on a moving stage in the middle of a jam packed raucous stadium blasting the sound through from every direction at the crowd? Like...this isn't a concert you can just "set up" and extensively soundcheck and then wait for the moment. By it's nature...it's pretty much gotta be midfield. Which just introduces so many complications as you're setting it up, checking it, tearing it down and moving it out of the way. Moving it back in with a huge rush during commercials, hoping everything is just ready to rock. You're not getting a big window to stand there at the mics like, "check, check, check one two. sssssssssssssssibilance ssssssssssssssibilance peter pepper pop pop pop" and just run through everything to make sure it's all still queued up properly and good to go. And even if it is...it's still gonna sound weak and small over the TV broadcast. It's one thing when you're live at a concert and it can just get blasted at everyone so loud it overwhelms nuance. It's something else when you're piping that source feed through people's crappy television speakers at home. And the whole thing just comes out sounding small and weak and sad. Because it takes so many levels of trickery and audio tweaking to make live rock band things sound good through any sound system. From speakers in house to TV speakers to elaborate surround theatre type systems to someone watching on their iPad or Mobile Telephone or a Laptop, or whatever the local pub has that passes for a sound system. There's a reason that even "Live Albums" from bands...end up going through ages of post production to tweak and balance and fill out the whole thing in an illusory effect to "mimic" that actual live experience of being blasted by volume that completely saturates your perception. And will play properly through speakers other than the ones live at the actual venue. Counterpoint - the halftime shows can start taking place at nearby NHL/NBA arenas and shown on video screens at the Super Bowl venue especially if cities like Cleveland want any chance at hosting the Super Bowl (they should get 62 since it is next in line to be awarded). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 On 3/23/2024 at 7:30 PM, pf9 said: The locations of the next three Super Bowls have been set. I've been saying for years the musical performers at the Super Bowl - not just the halftime show acts - should be ones with ties to the areas where the games are played. So, I would like to see Better Than Ezra for 59, Metallica for 60 (as the official beginning of 40th anniversary celebrations for Master of Puppets), and Guns N' Roses for 61 (to mark Axl Rose's 65th birthday and launch 40th anniversary celebrations for Appetite for Destruction). The latter in particular would be fitting since "Welcome to the Jungle" is popular at sports events. Super Bowl 59 should be Lil Wayne if it's people with ties to the area that aren't completely washed up. Super Bowl 60 should be Green Day. Super Bowl 61 could be anyone and I wouldn't care. It's LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 18 hours ago, pf9 said: Counterpoint - the halftime shows can start taking place at nearby NHL/NBA arenas and shown on video screens at the Super Bowl venue especially if cities like Cleveland want any chance at hosting the Super Bowl (they should get 62 since it is next in line to be awarded). Cleveland? A Super Bowl? LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 19 hours ago, scar988 said: Cleveland? A Super Bowl? LMAO They deserve to host one given how long it has been since the last playoff game in Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 19 hours ago, scar988 said: Cleveland? A Super Bowl? LMAO 12 minutes ago, pf9 said: They deserve to host one given how long it has been since the last playoff game in Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 33 minutes ago, pf9 said: They deserve to host one given how long it has been since the last playoff game in Cleveland. That's the most roundabout nonsense I've ever heard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pf9 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, scar988 said: That's the most roundabout nonsense I've ever heard. It's actually a cold hard fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, pf9 said: It's actually a cold hard fact. No, a Cold hard fact is that Cleveland will never get a super bowl until they have either a dome or retractable roof. And even then, the Super Bowl has a very low likelihood of being at the Mistake by the Lake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, scar988 said: No, a Cold hard fact is that Cleveland will never get a super bowl until they have either a dome or retractable roof. And even then, the Super Bowl has a very low likelihood of being at the Mistake by the Lake. On the contrary the NFL was willing to go to New Jersey so nothing is off the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, pf9 said: On the contrary the NFL was willing to go to New Jersey so nothing is off the table. New York is the top market in the NFL and the country. Cleveland isn't even in the top 32. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, scar988 said: New York is the top market in the NFL and the country. Cleveland isn't even in the top 32. That means nothing to me. And actually Cleveland is in the top 25. The NFL needs to start rotating the Super Bowl among all its stadiums. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 3/23/2024 at 6:38 PM, Sugashane said: GNR is still my favorite band, but I'd rather watch Tupac and Michael Jackson's holograms perform before having to listen to Axl Rose. His voice is ruined. Jerry Rice coming out of retirement today would be a better performer than Rose is today. This is the issue with a lot of the (for lack of a better word) mainstream 70's and 80's rock bands, they partied so hard at the time that they didn't take care of their voices and, even though Super Bowl halftime performances are lipsync'd, they just don't sound the same anymore save for certain bands that don't have quite the mainstream appeal to play the Super Bowl (and you can make an argument that part of what help Rob Halford maintain his voice was having the "hiatus" from Judas Priest). But Def Leppard sounds like a shadow of their former selves. Same with GNR. You can't even really get anything close to the full version of Motley Crue anymore. Unless they're going to cobble together a Zeppelin reunion with Bonham's son Jason again or, similarly, a Van Halen reunion with Wolfgang playing lead and use the Super Bowl as an excuse to bring back both David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar, I'm a pass. And a lot of that is just an awareness of what acts they actually will book for the SPHT and what groups would actually do it (for instance, you're never going to get anything resembling Pink Floyd there... or RATM - who wouldn't be booked anyway). The best that rock fans can really hope for is likely going to be that the NFL finally pulls the trigger on the Foo Fighters - because they have been approached several times before but nothing ever materialized; 2027 in LA, given that Laguna Beach became Taylor's adopted hometown and it would be 5-year-anniversary of his death, might be the strongest candidate (plus they've already played SoFi in the past). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, ET80 said: Calling it now. Detroit will get a Super Bowl before Cleveland does; and even that might not happen until a second renovation happens there - though I'd argue the 2017 one did bring them up to sufficient capability to host. And I'm not just saying that as someone who is invested in a Downtown Detroit Hilton hotel REIT... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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