MOSteelers56 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 hours ago, armsteeld said: This pick is the only one that worries me. Him at the 2nd level is a work in progress. He seems like a hard worker. He'll figure it out. I think he's got the makeup of a long term starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsteeld Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Plenty of OL gurus love him so I'm cool with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus-Viktor Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 On this one, I'm not real enamored. I am a bit excited though. He just doesn't pass the eyeball test for me. I like those really athletic Cs that can pull and the "dancing bear" type as Mayock always said. That's why I wanted Graham Barton so much. I got spoiled growing up with Dermontti Dawson, then had a scrub or two along with Jeff Hartings, and then finally Pouncey. Frazier doesn't seem like he'd be anywhere near that caliber. However, those few scrubs we've had, including those recently, did make me appreciate the Jeff Hartings-type player a little more. Hopefully he's better than Jeff Hartings, but even if that's his ceiling, that's a huge upgrade. (Note: upon looking up Jeff Hartings, there's a reason why I always think he was good when I remember him: 2 time all pro and 2 time pro bowler in only 6 years - pro bowl and all pro came in 1 year once....so that means 3 of 6 seasons he was really good). If we can get that out of Frazier, with 33% of his seasons being an all-pro and 33% a pro-bowler, I'll take it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I am guessing Frazier was drafted more for handling rushers up the middle vs wide-zone running plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 18 minutes ago, jebrick said: I am guessing Frazier was drafted more for handling rushers up the middle vs wide-zone running plays. Absolutely, he showed that ability going up against Murphy and Sweat from Texas. Pouncey could not have handled them 1:1 (imo). So pick our poison. Dancing bear or brick wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus-Viktor Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 hours ago, jebrick said: I am guessing Frazier was drafted more for handling rushers up the middle vs wide-zone running plays. I think it’s clear they changed their strategy away from pulling linemen and more to smashmouth. I do think he seems stout enough to manhandle guys and get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Magnus-Viktor said: I think it’s clear they changed their strategy away from pulling linemen and more to smashmouth. I do think he seems stout enough to manhandle guys and get the job done. MCCormick is considered the best pulling guard in the class so... Edited April 29 by jebrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus-Viktor Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, jebrick said: MCCormick is considered the best pulling guard in the class so... Yeah after I posted that I got to thinking about how athletic both OTs are. McCormick is pretty solid athletically too. So, perhaps, they just went with the best C, even if he isn’t the athlete we’re used to at the position when they’re actually elite athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Frazier's RAS had him in the "good" category for Explosion/Agility/Speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus-Viktor Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, Chieferific said: Frazier's RAS had him in the "good" category for Explosion/Agility/Speed. He looks pretty average to me. But again, my standard is pretty high. I'm definitely on board with him and hope he is the next great C here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlon Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 hours ago, Magnus-Viktor said: He looks pretty average to me. But again, my standard is pretty high. I'm definitely on board with him and hope he is the next great C here! I want a center that doesn’t get overwhelmed at the point of attack. I think Pouncey was a finesse okayed and overrated, and I know I’ll get killed for that. Frazier is a smooth mover, mobile enough but with a good anchor and a nasty disposition. My comp is Mike Webster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, rlon said: I want a center that doesn’t get overwhelmed at the point of attack. I think Pouncey was a finesse okayed and overrated, and I know I’ll get killed for that. Frazier is a smooth mover, mobile enough but with a good anchor and a nasty disposition. My comp is Mike Webster He’s definitely more in the mold of Webby as opposed to Dirt Dawson or Pouncey. I’d agree that Pounce was a touch overrated, but I think Dirt may have been the best C of all time. Those guys were different kind of athletes. Dawson also had the strength at the POA. He was like a cross between Pounce and Webster. I think Frazier will be a good C, but not on the level of all time greats. I’d be happy with a Hartings level guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus-Viktor Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Webster was long before my time, so no comment. Dirty D is my favorite of all time, meaning I think he was the best I've seen. Pouncey was definitely over-rated, but still quite good. When I said Frazier looks average to me, I meant he's athletically average by a quality starting C in the NFL standard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 15 hours ago, Chieferific said: Absolutely, he showed that ability going up against Murphy and Sweat from Texas. Pouncey could not have handled them 1:1 (imo). So pick our poison. Dancing bear or brick wall. why not both 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 6 hours ago, 3rivers said: why not both Great! Is he available? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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