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How big is the gap between Andy Reid and other HC’s right now?


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28 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

I especially love the discarding of his unbelievable career as a DC for the NYG as well.

We aren't talking about his DC career. There's a huge difference between being a great coordinator and a great head coach. Many have excelled at one while being mediocre at the other.

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24 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

81-98 record minus Brady. Below .500 in 8 of 11 seasons without Brady and a grand total of one playoff victory.

That's not revisionist. That's objective fact.

Well I guess it's a good thing the voters on such topics don't just throw out 20 years worth of coaching experience and accolades because the guy couldn't find success with Mac Jones.

Such a silly statement, no matter how you look at it.

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33 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

Reid doesn't have a losing record minus Mahomes. Belichick is below .500 minus Brady

Minus .500 without Brady and discarding 20 years is pure lunacy

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1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Well I guess it's a good thing the voters on such topics don't just throw out 20 years worth of coaching experience and accolades because the guy couldn't find success with Mac Jones.

Such a silly statement, no matter how you look at it.

11 seasons is not a tiny sample size. And you really shouldn't let voters determine your own analysis. Think for yourself. Don't be a sheep.

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1 minute ago, MWil23 said:

Minus .500 without Brady is discarding 20 years and then taking like 4 into account; that’s pure lunacy

11 seasons, not 4. If he was this ultra genius coach, he'd have excelled regardless of who his QBs were. Parcells has rings with Simms and Hostetler, neither of whom is a Top 30 QB of all time. Parcells took Bledsoe to a Super Bowl, Belichick went 5-11 with Bledsoe.

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3 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

11 seasons, not 4. If he was this ultra genius coach, he'd have excelled regardless of who his QBs were. Parcells has rings with Simms and Hostetler, neither of whom is a Top 30 QB of all time. Parcells took Bledsoe to a Super Bowl, Belichick went 5-11 with Bledsoe.

Sometimes, you need the right combination of HC and QB to really make a difference. Bill Walsh was amazing, but his career never really took off until Joe Montana got to SF.

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42 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

We aren't talking about his DC career. There's a huge difference between being a great coordinator and a great head coach. Many have excelled at one while being mediocre at the other.

We are talking about his coaching career. His entire career. We don't just discount one thing we count the whole body of work.

33 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said:

As a coordinator…

And? You act like coaching a top tier defense and winning a SB is nothing.

11 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

That was Parcells's team, not Belichick's. 

He was the ****ing defensive coordinator, why did they win? Because Scott Norwood and the defense did it's ****ing job.

"He had a losing seasons without Tom Brady" almost like winning in the NFL is hard or something. 

He has 3 winning seasons without brady and a playoff win. 

You can hate the mate all you goddamn want but don't pretend as if he doesn't have more super bowl rings than brady.

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20 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

11 seasons is not a tiny sample size. And you really shouldn't let voters determine your own analysis. Think for yourself. Don't be a sheep.

I'm not determining who is a "GOAT" coach, other people do, hence why I said that.

But if you want to die on the hill of "Belichick was never the GOAT coach and actually he was never even good, he just had Tom Brady", that's your choice!

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33 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

11 seasons, not 4. If he was this ultra genius coach, he'd have excelled regardless of who his QBs were. 

2008 (Matt Cassel): Top 10 scoring offense, Top 10 scoring defense, 11-5 record

2021 (Mac Jones): #6 Scoring Offense, #2 Scoring Defense, #3 Point Differential.

Yeah, okay buddy. 

Belichick the Coach is the GOAT.

Belichick the GM is mediocre.

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