scar988 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Honestly, I'd say it's John Harbaugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 25 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Bonus points for discarding Reid in Philly and using solely KC with Mahomes. Reid doesn't have a losing record minus Mahomes. Belichick is below .500 minus Brady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 28 minutes ago, MWil23 said: I especially love the discarding of his unbelievable career as a DC for the NYG as well. We aren't talking about his DC career. There's a huge difference between being a great coordinator and a great head coach. Many have excelled at one while being mediocre at the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 33 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Boy is this revisionist history. 81-98 record minus Brady. Below .500 in 8 of 11 seasons without Brady and a grand total of one playoff victory. That's not revisionist. That's objective fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 53 minutes ago, Xmad said: How is it abysmal without Brady? he won a ring without brady? As a coordinator… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 24 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said: 81-98 record minus Brady. Below .500 in 8 of 11 seasons without Brady and a grand total of one playoff victory. That's not revisionist. That's objective fact. Well I guess it's a good thing the voters on such topics don't just throw out 20 years worth of coaching experience and accolades because the guy couldn't find success with Mac Jones. Such a silly statement, no matter how you look at it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Xmad said: How is it abysmal without Brady? he won a ring without brady? That was Parcells's team, not Belichick's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said: Reid doesn't have a losing record minus Mahomes. Belichick is below .500 minus Brady Minus .500 without Brady and discarding 20 years is pure lunacy Edited October 10 by MWil23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Well I guess it's a good thing the voters on such topics don't just throw out 20 years worth of coaching experience and accolades because the guy couldn't find success with Mac Jones. Such a silly statement, no matter how you look at it. 11 seasons is not a tiny sample size. And you really shouldn't let voters determine your own analysis. Think for yourself. Don't be a sheep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 minute ago, MWil23 said: Minus .500 without Brady is discarding 20 years and then taking like 4 into account; that’s pure lunacy 11 seasons, not 4. If he was this ultra genius coach, he'd have excelled regardless of who his QBs were. Parcells has rings with Simms and Hostetler, neither of whom is a Top 30 QB of all time. Parcells took Bledsoe to a Super Bowl, Belichick went 5-11 with Bledsoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 3 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said: 11 seasons, not 4. If he was this ultra genius coach, he'd have excelled regardless of who his QBs were. Parcells has rings with Simms and Hostetler, neither of whom is a Top 30 QB of all time. Parcells took Bledsoe to a Super Bowl, Belichick went 5-11 with Bledsoe. Sometimes, you need the right combination of HC and QB to really make a difference. Bill Walsh was amazing, but his career never really took off until Joe Montana got to SF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 42 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said: We aren't talking about his DC career. There's a huge difference between being a great coordinator and a great head coach. Many have excelled at one while being mediocre at the other. We are talking about his coaching career. His entire career. We don't just discount one thing we count the whole body of work. 33 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: As a coordinator… And? You act like coaching a top tier defense and winning a SB is nothing. 11 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said: That was Parcells's team, not Belichick's. He was the ****ing defensive coordinator, why did they win? Because Scott Norwood and the defense did it's ****ing job. "He had a losing seasons without Tom Brady" almost like winning in the NFL is hard or something. He has 3 winning seasons without brady and a playoff win. You can hate the mate all you goddamn want but don't pretend as if he doesn't have more super bowl rings than brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 20 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said: 11 seasons is not a tiny sample size. And you really shouldn't let voters determine your own analysis. Think for yourself. Don't be a sheep. I'm not determining who is a "GOAT" coach, other people do, hence why I said that. But if you want to die on the hill of "Belichick was never the GOAT coach and actually he was never even good, he just had Tom Brady", that's your choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 12 minutes ago, Xmad said: He has 3 winning seasons without brady and a playoff win. Yes, thanks for proving my point. At best, he's consistently mediocre without Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 33 minutes ago, Football_Bachelor08 said: 11 seasons, not 4. If he was this ultra genius coach, he'd have excelled regardless of who his QBs were. 2008 (Matt Cassel): Top 10 scoring offense, Top 10 scoring defense, 11-5 record 2021 (Mac Jones): #6 Scoring Offense, #2 Scoring Defense, #3 Point Differential. Yeah, okay buddy. Belichick the Coach is the GOAT. Belichick the GM is mediocre. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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