skibrett15 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Who knows? Why did the Packers in back to back playoff appearances start a much worse OL with experience over a younger OL who was playing good ball in the regular season? Why was Royce Newman inserted into games earlier this year over Sean Rhyan? Coaches aren't perfect. They make really dumb calls. Lazard as a healthy scratch was a very dumb call, and their lack of success doesn't point at all that they made the right call. he doesn't even play special teams! He's a blocking WR who can't play specials. What a joke. Name the other Jets WR besides Wilson. That's who he lost snaps to! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, Packerraymond said: If Jordan Love was our QB in 2022 and Lazard played a full 17 game season, he would've had 1000+ yards and 8+ TD's. We'll never know. The point was that Lazard is not and never has been a #1 or#2 receiver. Many on this board took the opposite opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: It's not 2021 anymore. Lazard isn't better than Heath or Melton in 2024. Life comes at you fast in the NFL. 2019 Lazard was light years ahead of 2023 Malik Heath. In order for 2024 Malik Heath to be better than current Lazard, he's going to need to play as well as 2019 Lazard. There are no indications other than hope that Heath is that player. Melton I think has higher hopes due to his athletic traits, but that's a 5'11 4.3 WR compared to a 6'5 4.55 WR, they'd never be running the same role on any given play to begin with, but yeah I'd probably give Melton the roster spot over Lazard at this point in their respective career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: he doesn't even play special teams! He's a blocking WR who can't play specials. What a joke. Name the other Jets WR besides Wilson. That's who he lost snaps to! What trait does he not possess to play specials lol. HE didn't play specials because he's a 12m AAV player, how many of those guys play ST ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, hitnhope said: We'll never know. The point was that Lazard is not and never has been a #1 or#2 receiver. Many on this board took the opposite opinion. All you can do is look at current data. 2020-2021 Lazard the analytics said, get this guy the ball more. He was extremely efficient. Adams left and so did his efficiency, but so did our QB's efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 This is sure a lot of debate about a middling former GB WR who's no longer on the roster, and very likely never will be again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: If Jordan Love was our QB in 2022 and Lazard played a full 17 game season, he would've had 1000+ yards and 8+ TD's. and? So would a lot of undeserving mediocre players given that opportunity in that putrid/inexperieced/injured WR room. He would achieve that by default given the opportunity by being the only experienced player on the roster. And he still would've been outplayed by romeo doubs and christian watson, just like he actually was in 2022. And doubs will be, what our 4th receiver next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 5 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: This is sure a lot of debate about a middling former GB WR who's no longer on the roster, and very likely never will be again. don't post if you don't care! Random former packer conversations in random packer news and notes! OH THE HORROR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 10 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: What trait does he not possess to play specials lol. HE didn't play specials because he's a 12m AAV player, how many of those guys play ST ? yes, lest we forget his impeccable 3 ST snaps in 2022. Amazing team player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: and? So would a lot of undeserving mediocre players given that opportunity in that putrid/inexperieced/injured WR room. He would achieve that by default given the opportunity by being the only experienced player on the roster. And he still would've been outplayed by romeo doubs and christian watson, just like he actually was in 2022. And doubs will be, what our 4th receiver next year? How is current Romeo Doubs really any different than prime Lazard? I see a very similar player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 12 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: 2019 Lazard was light years ahead of 2023 Malik Heath. In order for 2024 Malik Heath to be better than current Lazard, he's going to need to play as well as 2019 Lazard. There are no indications other than hope that Heath is that player. Baffled how Lazards 2nd season is a relevant comparison to Heaths rookie season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, skibrett15 said: yes, lest we forget his impeccable 3 ST snaps in 2022. Amazing team player. How many teams put their snap leaders on ST? How many reps did Watson have in 2022? Was Doubs on ST this year? Your argument here is so pointless. Lazard is a 6'5 230 dude who runs in the 4.5's, if he's asked to play specials, he'd be on specials lol, we're not talking about a Tavon Austin sized dude here. So because his coaches haven't asked him to play ST, that's his fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, Packerraymond said: How is current Romeo Doubs really any different than prime Lazard? I see a very similar player. Agreed, romeo doubs is a WR4 in this league. Next lazard who will wash out after some effective role playing here in GB. There's no need to get excited about limited athletes like them. Each can do 1-2 things well. Lazard was a 6-5 receiver who played much smaller when the ball was in the air, but played like a 6-5 receiver when it comes to getting separation. Doubs is a 6-2 guy who plays like a 6-5 guy on the ground and a 6-5 guy in the air. No separation, but he makes contested catches. Both rely on the scheme and/or QB to get plays made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, Packerraymond said: All you can do is look at current data. 2020-2021 Lazard the analytics said, get this guy the ball more. He was extremely efficient. Adams left and so did his efficiency, but so did our QB's efficiency. Sometimes the eye test is needed in addition to the analytics. When you have a WR that is slow, with average hands the eye test tells you that maybe the efficiency is due to other factors like having the best WR in football lined up opposite. The QB's efficiency drop may also be due to the limitations in the weapons around him. Did Mahomes get worse this year? Did Rodgers get worse or was the problem that he had a plow horse lead WR and a plow horse lead TE as targets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Baffled how Lazards 2nd season is a relevant comparison to Heaths rookie season Fair enough, Heath had snaps this year to showcase what he could do, Lazard's first opportunity to do so came in 2019. I don't see anything that tells me there's anything unique there with Heath, you could see right away with Lazard in 2019 that his size was going to be valuable in the contested catch and blocking game. Contract out of the picture I would take 28 year old Lazard over Heath any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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