AlexGreen#20 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Preston Smith is average. Average at what? Preston Smith has the toughest role on this defense. He had 12 sacks on 34 pressures this year. He had a passer rating against of 56.2 on something absurd like 120 drop backs, and was a tremendous edge setter. Preston Smith is great. Edited March 8, 2020 by AlexGreen#20 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Just now, ReadyToThump said: A little early to be drinking on a Sunday, ain't it? He is average. That's not an insult. As an EDGE defender he is average. You could make an argument for slightly above average, but to act like there aren't 32 EDGE rushers as good as him is faulty. Barrett, Jones, Hunter, Watt, Z. Smith, Dupree, Bosa, Fowler, Quinn, Houston, Allen, Golden, Crosby, Garrett, Judon, Addison, Landry, Bosa, Hubbard, Mack, Graham, Dunlap, JPP, Ngakue (sp), Miller, Clark, Griffin, Mercilus, Burns, Ingram, Flowers, Sweat, Ford, Lawson, Davenport, Murphy. That's 36 EDGE players in the NFL that are either better than him or so close to equal to him that he is, by definition, average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: Average at what? Preston Smith has the toughest role on this defense. He had 12 sacks on 34 pressures this year. He had a passer rating against of 56.2 on something absurd like 120 drop backs, and was a tremendous edge setter. Preston Smith is great. Did not know that about his passer rating. I think early in the preseason I was pissed about the prospect of him dropping into coverage as I hate that disguise crap with EDGE players dropping into coverage. I feel like it's like a bunch of fish throwing one fish into the air to trick a shark into thinking they're birds. Terrible analogy but it's early and I'm sick. As a pass rusher, Preston is average. Probably semantics and people are probably gonna get all pissed off at me because for the billionteenth time they don't understand perspective, but Preston is not leaps and bounds better than the majority of EDGE starters in the NFL. There's no significant separation there as a pass rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: He is average. That's not an insult. As an EDGE defender he is average. You could make an argument for slightly above average, but to act like there aren't 32 EDGE rushers as good as him is faulty. Barrett, Jones, Hunter, Watt, Z. Smith, Dupree, Bosa, Fowler, Quinn, Houston, Allen, Golden, Crosby, Garrett, Judon, Addison, Landry, Bosa, Hubbard, Mack, Graham, Dunlap, JPP, Ngakue (sp), Miller, Clark, Griffin, Mercilus, Burns, Ingram, Flowers, Sweat, Ford, Lawson, Davenport, Murphy. That's 36 EDGE players in the NFL that are either better than him or so close to equal to him that he is, by definition, average. There's 96+ edge rushers routinely getting snaps. He fits somewhere very neatly in that top 20. More importantly of those guys you have listed, very few of them display the flexibility in their games to handle EVERYTHING Preston is being asked to do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: He is average. That's not an insult. As an EDGE defender he is average. You could make an argument for slightly above average, but to act like there aren't 32 EDGE rushers as good as him is faulty. Barrett, Jones, Hunter, Watt, Z. Smith, Dupree, Bosa, Fowler, Quinn, Houston, Allen, Golden, Crosby, Garrett, Judon, Addison, Landry, Bosa, Hubbard, Mack, Graham, Dunlap, JPP, Ngakoue, Miller, Clark, Griffin, Mercilus, Burns, Ingram, Flowers, Sweat, Ford, Lawson, Davenport, Murphy. That's 36 EDGE players in the NFL that are either better than him or so close to equal to him that he is, by definition, average. Every last guy in bold is either a one year wonder, over-the-hill, or flat out not as consistent as P. Smith...and I'm probably missing a couple... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said: There's 96+ edge rushers routinely getting snaps. He fits somewhere very neatly in that top 20. More importantly of those guys you have listed, very few of them display the flexibility in their games to handle EVERYTHING Preston is being asked to do. I will concede that point and agree with you. Like I said, had no idea on his coverage ability. I rescind my statement and modify it: Preston is average as a starting EDGE rusher, exceptional overall. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: Did not know that about his passer rating. I think early in the preseason I was pissed about the prospect of him dropping into coverage as I hate that disguise crap with EDGE players dropping into coverage. I feel like it's like a bunch of fish throwing one fish into the air to trick a shark into thinking they're birds. Terrible analogy but it's early and I'm sick. As a pass rusher, Preston is average. Probably semantics and people are probably gonna get all pissed off at me because for the billionteenth time they don't understand perspective, but Preston is not leaps and bounds better than the majority of EDGE starters in the NFL. There's no significant separation there as a pass rusher. When you play the 3-3-5 that we played last year, somebody in that front group has to drop. It's not going to be one of Clark, Lowry, or Lancaster, and it certainly wasn't Z. That left only Preston left to drop, and he dropped a lot. It's not like he's a significantly worse coverage guy than a lot of LBs when it comes to simple zone ****. He finished 8th in the league in sacks, and his pressures/sack ratio was very much in line with league norms. I sorta get where you're coming from on the idea that there are 12 guys who finished within +/- 2 sacks of him, but Preston Smith was a baller last year, and of that 10+ group, he was basically the only one who wasn't getting the specialist role in the pressure package like Z was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Outpost31 said: He is average. That's not an insult. As an EDGE defender he is average. You could make an argument for slightly above average, but to act like there aren't 32 EDGE rushers as good as him is faulty. Barrett, Jones, Hunter, Watt, Z. Smith, Dupree, Bosa, Fowler, Quinn, Houston, Allen, Golden, Crosby, Garrett, Judon, Addison, Landry, Bosa, Hubbard, Mack, Graham, Dunlap, JPP, Ngakue (sp), Miller, Clark, Griffin, Mercilus, Burns, Ingram, Flowers, Sweat, Ford, Lawson, Davenport, Murphy. That's 36 EDGE players in the NFL that are either better than him or so close to equal to him that he is, by definition, average. This list is bad. Murphy!!? Davenport? Maxx effin Crosby? Those are 3 of probably 15 bad on that list. Please post something I can agree with soon so it doesn't look like I'm picking on you. Make a thread that Jaire is a good CB or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: This list is bad. Murphy!!? Davenport? Maxx effin Crosby? Those are 3 of probably 15 bad on that list. Please post something I can agree with soon so it doesn't look like I'm picking on you. Make a thread that Jaire is a good CB or something. Would you say that Preston Smith is to Murphy as Alexander is to King? Significantly better as a pass rusher? I’ve already conceded that Smith is better than I thought he was overall, but you have to admit that having Z on the other side certainly makes his job as a pass rusher easier. Murphy was rated 75.1 as an EDGE last year with Preston at 66. Is it not possible that as an edge setter and pass rusher, Murphy was better? Davenport was 84.1. Crosby was 64.4. I don’t see a significant difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Have you seen any of them play this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Would you say that Preston Smith is to Murphy as Alexander is to King? Significantly better as a pass rusher? I’ve already conceded that Smith is better than I thought he was overall, but you have to admit that having Z on the other side certainly makes his job as a pass rusher easier. Murphy was rated 75.1 as an EDGE last year with Preston at 66. Is it not possible that as an edge setter and pass rusher, Murphy was better? Davenport was 84.1. Crosby was 64.4. I don’t see a significant difference. I watch games and don't just look at PFF scores. Preston's score is one of the reasons I'm like 4/10 on PFF. Totally crap rating for him. The man was a top 15 edge player in the NFL last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: I watch games and don't just look at PFF scores. Preston's score is one of the reasons I'm like 4/10 on PFF. Totally crap rating for him. The man was a top 15 edge player in the NFL last year. Corey Linsley was a top 12 center. Is he really that far off from the top 22 centers? That’s what I’m getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fussnputz Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Help! I'm trying to schedule a social event. Don't want to land it on a Packer Sunday. Does anyone know when the 2020 NFL schedule comes out? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green machine Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr. Fussnputz said: Help! I'm trying to schedule a social event. Don't want to land it on a Packer Sunday. Does anyone know when the 2020 NFL schedule comes out? Thanks! The NFL won't disclose when it is. But historically it is released in early-mid April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 41 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Corey Linsley was a top 12 center. Is he really that far off from the top 22 centers? That’s what I’m getting at. I wouldn't describe Corey Linsley as average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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