Packerraymond Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, cannondale said: Of course there are a few exceptions. One being a Hall of Famer in Gonzalez. There are 800 examples of non Hall of Famers who didn't play into their 30's. I hope he can be a huge threat for us. I just couldn't ignore some stats and the price tag. Risk / reward is not where I'd like it When you are comparing Graham to players, you have to compare them to one equally as athletically gifted. Graham is a rare breed there. You can't compare him to Todd Heap or Jeremy Shockey and how they aged because he's just flat out in a different stratosphere athletically. Look at Vernon Davis, as I said, 15 YPC at his 34 year old season. Guy needed more balls last year than Cousins gave him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: When you are comparing Graham to players, you have to compare them to one equally as athletically gifted. Graham is a rare breed there. You can't compare him to Todd Heap or Jeremy Shockey and how they aged because he's just flat out in a different stratosphere athletically. Look at Vernon Davis, as I said, 15 YPC at his 34 year old season. Guy needed more balls last year than Cousins gave him. Graham was at 9 YPC last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The biggest plus in all this... GB moves the production from the outside that was Jordy, to inside with Graham. They have Cobb and Graham to attack the middle of defenses now. *edit: I also know full well they will likely flex Graham outside a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, cannondale said: Graham was at 9 YPC last year Not gonna get lost in the YPC weeds here - but SEAs offense was seriously challenged no? Wilson was running for his life. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, cannondale said: Graham was at 9 YPC last year Point being? He was grossly misused in Seattle, everyone has said that. His OC got fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettFavre004 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, cannondale said: Graham was at 9 YPC last year Graham was also never very good in Seattle, but he was special, easy HOF track in New Orleans. Either the knees eventually gave out or perhaps he needs a certain fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Leader said: Not gonna get lost in the YPC weeds here - but SEAs offense was seriously challenged no? Wilson was running for his life. Just a thought. I'm not buying that excuse as much as others. Elite guys should be elite wherever they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, cannondale said: Graham was at 9 YPC last year And on and on the circular argument goes. The main reason for this, as many people have stated ad nauseum, is due to improper utilization in Seattle. You don't have to buy it, but the rebuttal to that had already been posited several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, cannondale said: I'm not buying that excuse as much as others. Elite guys should be elite wherever they are Ohhhhhhhh....come on. The point I was making was the guy throwing the ball was "challenged" doing so - so the potentially elite TE was similarly challenged being elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I could be wrong - and will gladly admit it - but right now, that's where I'm at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, cannondale said: I'm not buying that excuse as much as others. Elite guys should be elite wherever they are Doesn't work that way for skill position guys. They need the ball to be elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 catches 61 yards .7 touchdowns 4 catches 170 48 yards .5 touchdowns Graham's per game averages for the Saints and Seahawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 59 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: 99 for 1172 5 TDs 96 for 1058 10 TDs 83 for 867 6 TDs Tony Gonzalez age 31, 32 and 33 seasons. Graham isn't done. That's fair and all, but Graham has never been that type of player. Graham is 100% dependent on his athleticism to be a threat. He hasn't made the late stage Antonio Gates improvements that you'd like to see. I'm confident he has enough Juice to be very effective, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a much much sharper decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: That's fair and all, but Graham has never been that type of player. Graham is 100% dependent on his athleticism to be a threat. He hasn't made the late stage Antonio Gates improvements that you'd like to see. I'm confident he has enough Juice to be very effective, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a much much sharper decline. Graham was absolutely that type of player in New Orleans. He's also not 100% dependent on athletic ability, that's just flat out false. He's always leaned on basketball background first and foremost, size, catch radius and using his body to box out and attack the football like a rebound, unless he's shrinking that isn't changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Graham was absolutely that type of player in New Orleans. He's also not 100% dependent on athletic ability, that's just flat out false. He's always leaned on basketball background first and foremost, size, catch radius and attacking the football like a rebound, unless he's shrinking that isn't changing. There it is......the mysterious NFL shrinking disease the league has been trying to hush up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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