MKnight82 Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I think if Peterson plays well this preseason that Perine won’t make it and Bibbs has a chance to make the team, or Marshall bc they’re going to need depth for Thompson I seriously doubt Perine gets cut. 10 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I don’t think they keep 7 WRs. We’ve only kept 7 WRs once and that was because of Brandon Banks. We kept Banks solely because of special teams. I have Brian Quick as a cut and Cam Sims making it over him. Brian Quick plays special teams. 11 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I think it’s a mistake to only keep 2 guards. I understand that Catalina and Kalis aren’t great but I definitely think one of them need to be kept for depth. You can carry a Guard on the practice squad. Bergstrom can play in an emergency on game day. Or have TWill slide over and Nsekhe plays LT. Catalina and Kalis suck. 12 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I thought Pete Robertson was an OLB? He is, which is why I discussed him with the OLBs. 12 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Anyways, with the way that Apke has been flashing this preseason, I don’t think we need to keep 5 safeties. I think Robertson should make the team over Kenny Ladler because we need more OLB depth and he’s good at special teams too.. Maybe, but 10 Lbers is a lot of Lbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 54 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: I seriously doubt Perine gets cut. Brian Quick plays special teams. You can carry a Guard on the practice squad. Bergstrom can play in an emergency on game day. Or have TWill slide over and Nsekhe plays LT. Catalina and Kalis suck. He is, which is why I discussed him with the OLBs. Maybe, but 10 Lbers is a lot of Lbers. I used to doubt that Perine would get cut too but I don’t think Gruden will ever cut Kelley as long as Kelley is at least average and I think it’s going to be proven over the next two weeks that Peterson is a 100 times better than both of them. On top of that, we need a back up 3rd down back for Thompson because he’s not 100%. Ben Standing this morning was on the radio and he thought they’d actually keep 5 RBs which, I thought was the most ridiculous roster prediction I’ve ever heard. I realize that we can keep a guard on the practice squad but I think that’s an awful positon to be in where you don’t have a back up guard and a back up center to play on game days. You could be right that they’re comfortable enough that they can slide Nsekhe or TWill over to guard should they be in a pinch like they were in the Giants game from 2016 and the Saints game from last year, but if it were me, I’d rather not start the season off so light on the depth chart on the interior. Brian Quick is meh. Sure he can play special teams, but so can Harris, Quinn and Sims. There’s just no need for Quick, we need to role with the youth. Keeping 7 WRs is basically unheard of especially when you have depth questions at other spots like OG. Quick probably won’t even be signed if we let him go so, cuting him doesn’t seem like a risk at all. It seems to me we usually keep 5 or 6 WRs, 9 OL, 6 or 7 DL, 9 or 10 LBs and 9 or 10 DBs, I could be wrong but this seems most likely. Keeping 7 WRs and 11 DBs seems like overkill for those two positions. That’s too many skill position players/defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I realize that we can keep a guard on the practice squad but I think that’s an awful positon to be in where you don’t have a back up guard and a back up center to play on game days. They have Bergstrom. 15 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Brian Quick is meh. Sure he can play special teams, but so can Harris, Quinn and Sims. There’s just no need for Quick, we need to role with the youth. Keeping 7 WRs is basically unheard of especially when you have depth questions at other spots like OG. Quick probably won’t even be signed if we let him go so, cuting him doesn’t seem like a risk at all. I'm OK cutting Quick, but the WR core is going to be VERY young without him, and Gruden has said positive stuff about Quick in the past kind of like how he likes Kelley. 16 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Keeping 7 WRs and 11 DBs seems like overkill for those two positions. That’s too many skill position players/defenders. We have more talent at those positions. I don't see the point in cutting good players for crappy depth at others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 QB (2): Alex Smith, Colt McCoy RB (4): Adrian Peterson, Chris Thompson, , Rob Kelley, Kapri Bibbs IR: Byron Marshall - Personally, I’d keep Perine over Kelley but I don’t think Gruden will. - Rob Kelley played some FB in college and has played some FB infront of Matt Jones a few years ago. TE (3): Jordan Reed, Vernon Davis, Jeremy Sprinkle WR (6): Josh Doctson, Paul Richardson, Jamison Crowder, Maurice Harris, Trey Quinn, Cam Sims Practice Squad: Simmie Cobbs OT (4): Trent Williams, Morgan Moses, Ty Nsekhe, Geron Christian OG (3): Brandon Scherff, Shawn Lauvao, Kyle Kalis OC (2): Chase Roullier, Tony Bergstrom DEFENSE DE (4): Jonathan Allen, Matt Ioannidis, Anthony Lanier, Ziggy Hood PUP: Stacey McGee NT (2): Daron Payne, Tim Settle OLB (5): Ryan Kerrigan, Preston Smith, Pernell McPhee, Ryan Anderson, Pete Robertson MLB (5): Zach Brown, Mason Foster, Martrell Spaight, Josh Harvey-Clemons, Shaun Dion Hamilton CB (6): Josh Norman, Quinton Dunbar, Fabian Moreau, Danny Johnson, Greg Stroman, Adonis Alexander S (4): DJ Swearinger, Montae Nicholson, Troy Apke, DeShazor Everett Practice Squad: Quinn Blanding, Fish Smithston ST (3): Dustin Hopkins, Tress Way, Nick Sundberg Final Count: Offense: 24 Defense: 26 ST: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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turtle28 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I think Perine’s fumbling issue has been overblown a bit. Not a surprise, every fumble is bad and inexcusable but if you’re only fumbling once every 100 touches, that’s about as good as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 17 hours ago, turtle28 said: Grant's stupid suggestion aside (why bother with West?), I don't have many quibbles with the above breakdown. Where I do or at least might (as I haven't actually been able to watch a full game yet): Wasting a practice squad spot on Kevin Hogan. I get that he's the developmental quarterback. He ain't going to develop. Don't bother. Look somewhere else. Byron Marshall not making the squad. I get that he's injured right now and might not be back by the start of the regular season, but I wouldn't necessarily count him out. It will depend on how Adrian Peterson and Rob "Kelley" Gruden look (if the former excels and the latter doesn't stink up the joint, Marshall is probably looking elsewhere for a job). Tyler Catalina making the roster. Ugh. Bruce Allen, here's a chance to A) make right your repeated earlier screw ups this year and B) show off your GM chops by finding a JAG at guard (Catalina does not qualify as a JAG). No, I'm not holding my breath. Keeping Ziggy Hood over Phil Taylor. Taylor's a much better player when healthy, but he makes Jordan Reed look like Cal Ripken in terms of reliability. Still, I would go with the greater talent over keeping a 31 year old JAG defensive lineman. Keeping three linebackers on the practice squad. Right now, this guy projects having Vontae Diggs, Jerod Fernandez, and Pete Robertson all making the PS. That's a pretty heavy percentage devoted to the linebacker, when we're already keeping nine guys in front of them. I get that these three might have made it hard to make that go/no-go call, but all three have to stay? Really? Where others might have quibbles but I don't: @e16bball - giving Brian Quick's roster spot arguably to a 5th running back + Cam Sims. Sims looks like he's earned his spot, but I'm not sure the 5th RB (however you want to rank them) has. Still, I haven't been a big fan of giving Quick a spot on the roster as I feel he's a JAG. @e16bball / @turtle28 (I think you two were backers of his, but I could be wrong) - sending Matt Flanagan packing. We don't really use a blocking TE/FB so it doesn't really bother me (well, it does, but I've accepted that this is the Tao of Gruden). Kind of surprised at not giving the kid a practice squad spot, though (see Hogan and 3 LB comments). @e16bball - Ladler not even making the practice squad (assuming he's eligible). I haven't seen a second of this guy, so maybe I'm missing what he brings to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 @Woz I liked the pick up of Flanagan as an udfa, but I haven’t really had an opinion of him since or noticed that he’s done anything making him worthy of making the team. I’d consider keeping him on the practice squad over Hogan though, Hogan doesn’t deserve to be here, I can’t believe he started for the Browns last year. I 100% agree with you about the guard position, Brucey/Dougie Fresh have to find an upgrade reserve OG. Kalis can go on the practice squad. I agree with you about Phil Taylor over Ziggy Hold, but I think Hood makes it because the coaches like Hoods versatility and leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Wouldn't it be great if the center ( or anyone that actually plays a position ) could also be the long snapper? Save a roster spot. I think in the old days they used to do that. I wonder today ? -Well, I guess every team has a specialist to snap for kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 4 hours ago, RSkinGM said: Wouldn't it be great if the center ( or anyone that actually plays a position ) could also be the long snapper? Save a roster spot. I think in the old days they used to do that. I wonder today ? -Well, I guess every team has a specialist to snap for kicks. I remember back with Gibbs was here for the second time, he told Ethan Albright that he couldn't afford to risk having him get hurt during practices because he was so critical to the success of the special teams. As such, Albright stopped participating in the general lineman drills. Would you want to risk a significant drop off in ability for your offense and special teams with a single injury? Do you trust the long snapping ability of your backup center or your backup guard (if things go really wrong in a game)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 17 hours ago, turtle28 said: @Woz I liked the pick up of Flanagan as an udfa, but I haven’t really had an opinion of him since or noticed that he’s done anything making him worthy of making the team. I’d consider keeping him on the practice squad over Hogan though, Hogan doesn’t deserve to be here, I can’t believe he started for the Browns last year. If not Flanagan hasn't been decent enough to keep, that's fine (again, I haven't been able to watch any games so far, tonight will be the first time). I just hate the idea of wasting a spot on a guy who has no chance in the league like Hogan. 17 hours ago, turtle28 said: I 100% agree with you about the guard position, Brucey/Dougie Fresh have to find an upgrade reserve OG. Kalis can go on the practice squad. Kalis was already projected to be on the practice squad. Did you mean Catalina? 17 hours ago, turtle28 said: I agree with you about Phil Taylor over Ziggy Hold, but I think Hood makes it because the coaches like Hoods versatility and leadership. How much versatility do we need from a 31 year old DL(*) when we are arguably the deepest at defensive line in at least two decades (*knocks on wood*)? What does Hood give us that could not be handled by Settle or Ioannidis or even Lanier? How much leadership can he do sitting on the sidelines? If it's leadership in the meeting rooms, shouldn't that be the responsibility of Tomsula? If it's in the locker room, that can fall to guys like Swearinger and Brown. If the argument is "they will keep Hood over Taylor because they believe Hood will actually be able to suit up and play (even for limited snaps) on any given Sunday," okay, I can understand that. I still think it's a bit of a weak reason. (*) Yes, I'm aware that Taylor is 30. He's still got more talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Woz said: If not Flanagan hasn't been decent enough to keep, that's fine (again, I haven't been able to watch any games so far, tonight will be the first time). I just hate the idea of wasting a spot on a guy who has no chance in the league like Hogan. Kalis was already projected to be on the practice squad. Did you mean Catalina? How much versatility do we need from a 31 year old DL(*) when we are arguably the deepest at defensive line in at least two decades (*knocks on wood*)? What does Hood give us that could not be handled by Settle or Ioannidis or even Lanier? How much leadership can he do sitting on the sidelines? If it's leadership in the meeting rooms, shouldn't that be the responsibility of Tomsula? If it's in the locker room, that can fall to guys like Swearinger and Brown. If the argument is "they will keep Hood over Taylor because they believe Hood will actually be able to suit up and play (even for limited snaps) on any given Sunday," okay, I can understand that. I still think it's a bit of a weak reason. (*) Yes, I'm aware that Taylor is 30. He's still got more talent. I haven’t paid attention to Flanagan either. I do believe he had adrop or a missed block or something last game that was noticeable but I can’t remember what it was. I definetly don’t think Hogan should be around. I’m 100% with you there. Hood over Taylor is not what I’d want to see but my observation is that he’s the #4 or 5 DL on this team and Taylor is the 7th. Hood started last week vs the Jets at LDE so, that gave me the impression that he’s the back up LDE. He’s also played NT in the past so, he can play there. That’s more versatility than every other DL except possibly Payne who I think can play DE & NT. I think Taylor can play not DE & NT too but he hasn’t done it much in his career like Hood has. As for the leadership, it’s been reported that he’s the leader of a very young DL group. No, he’s not the leader of the defense, but Gruden and Tomsula seem to like his leadership for the young DL we have. So that, his versatility and he’s good depth means they probably keep Hood over Taylor, but I’m with you, I’d keep Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 24 minutes ago, turtle28 said: As for the leadership, it’s been reported that he’s the leader of a very young DL group. No, he’s not the leader of the defense, but Gruden and Tomsula seem to like his leadership for the young DL we have. Oh he's a Gruden guy ... nevermind then. We'll always sacrifice talent for Gruden's guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 21 hours ago, Woz said: Oh he's a Gruden guy ... nevermind then. We'll always sacrifice talent for Gruden's guys. Phil Taylor played well last night.He looked quicker, I didn’t see as big of a belly on him; perhaps he lost 10-15 pounds. I swear he looks more like 320 and not 335 or 340. He played both LDE & NT. He and Settle played some together with Taylor playing at LDE. Perhaps they keep both Hood and Taylor and have 7 DL just to have some vets to go with their 5 young DL. I don’t think they should keep 5 safeties after last nights exhibition. Of course the back ups can redeem themselves in the 4th preseason game but the back up safeties were pretty bad; of course it was mostly Apke who was bad so, do you keep Ladler because Apke has more developing to do? Ladler or Fish can go on the practice squad and we’ll be fine there, should we need anyone during the season. Also, from what I see Kyle Kalis and even our young C, Dunn, they continue to look better than Catalina. If we are going to keep one of these young interior OL as the 9th guy, I continue to think Kalis should be the guy. Kalis faced Clinton McDonald who had 5 sacks last year for Tampa and pretty much held his own. Hopefully a decent back up interior OL gets cut from another team and we can add them. I’m not overly concerned because Nsekhe can slide in at G but it is an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganF89 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I think this is the year that we see Rob Kelly finally not make the team, its dumb to let perine go IMO for fat rob, hes litterally done nothing in every game so far i see us going Peterson/Perine/Thompson with Bibbs making the team until marshall returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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