What's Up WIth the Money?

[turtle28]

1 hour ago, 3rivers said:

dupree only had 2  decent pass rushes that I can remember, and thats vs a UDFA rookie in his first start .   Tuitt is a force when healthy and I I agree about  him and Heyward being really good.   I expect Watt to continue being really good, maybe not averaging 4 sacks and blocked FG per game but still good. I still expect Dupree to no have any variety and only get stats when the OT fails for some reason . I thought our secondary made some strides, but we will find out when they play teams that can throw more and if Haden is out.

If Dupree ends up with 8 sacks on the season and Watt ends up with 12 or 13, Heyward gets near or over 10 sacks again, Tuitt ends up with 5 or 6 and the ILBs each get around a handful or Williams repeats the 8 he did last year, I don’t know what there really is to complain about.  

[skywlker32]

15 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

If Dupree ends up with 8 sacks on the season and Watt ends up with 12 or 13, Heyward gets near or over 10 sacks again, Tuitt ends up with 5 or 6 and the ILBs each get around a handful or Williams repeats the 8 he did last year, I don’t know what there really is to complain about.  

That would be a career high by 2 sacks...

[turtle28]

Just now, skywlker32 said:

That would be a career high by 2 sacks...

Which is not impossible, in fact, he already has 1 so he’d have to get 7 more. They’ve said he’s more comfortable rushing on the right side and Watt is more comfortable rushing on the left side which was evident last Sunday. 

[skywlker32]

4 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Which is not impossible, in fact, he already has 1 so he’d have to get 7 more. They’ve said he’s more comfortable rushing on the right side and Watt is more comfortable rushing on the left side which was evident last Sunday. 

I never said it was impossible, but you set the expectations for the guy to have more sacks than he has had in his career as if it should be easy. If it was easy for him, he would have done it at least once in his career right now. He has been a disappointment so far, so to expect anything else is kind of silly until we see a change on the field.

[MOSteelers56]

19 minutes ago, skywlker32 said:

I never said it was impossible, but you set the expectations for the guy to have more sacks than he has had in his career as if it should be easy. If it was easy for him, he would have done it at least once in his career right now. He has been a disappointment so far, so to expect anything else is kind of silly until we see a change on the field.

To be fair, he's missed chunks of every season he's ever played. I think he'll get 8 sacks this year fairly easily. If Vince can get 8 sacks, Butler can design Dupree into 8 sacks. 

[3rivers]

dupree could get 10 sacks on the season, does that mean he is a good pass rusher? VW had how many, would you line him up at edge on a SB last driver vs a good OT? Stats are deceptive, much of that is what teams you played.  Don't you remember the playoff loss last year? That is what I think of when I comment like this, not the way a player can defeat an UDFA rookie in his first start on one play out of how many.

[Big Snack]

27 minutes ago, 3rivers said:

dupree could get 10 sacks on the season, does that mean he is a good pass rusher? VW had how many, would you line him up at edge on a SB last driver vs a good OT? Stats are deceptive, much of that is what teams you played.  Don't you remember the playoff loss last year? That is what I think of when I comment like this, not the way a player can defeat an UDFA rookie in his first start on one play out of how many.

Why would you lineup an interior lb, who has become a good inside blitzer with his timing and technique on the outside to do something he hasnt done all year? There are  a lot of scenarios to prove a point that Dupree will never be a good pass rusher but this was about as bad a comparison as it gets. Its starting to get old how much hate VW gets. He is a good value at his current contract and has become one of the leaders of this team in spite of what this forums opinion of him is.

[warfelg]

3 hours ago, Big Snack said:

Why would you lineup an interior lb, who has become a good inside blitzer with his timing and technique on the outside to do something he hasnt done all year? There are  a lot of scenarios to prove a point that Dupree will never be a good pass rusher but this was about as bad a comparison as it gets. Its starting to get old how much hate VW gets. He is a good value at his current contract and has become one of the leaders of this team in spite of what this forums opinion of him is.

The only think I think I disagree with here, is the VW getting too much hate.  I think its right about the right level.  But, frankly, it's not his fault.  He shouldn't be starting.

[3rivers]

4 hours ago, Big Snack said:

Why would you lineup an interior lb, who has become a good inside blitzer with his timing and technique on the outside to do something he hasnt done all year? There are  a lot of scenarios to prove a point that Dupree will never be a good pass rusher but this was about as bad a comparison as it gets. Its starting to get old how much hate VW gets. He is a good value at his current contract and has become one of the leaders of this team in spite of what this forums opinion of him is.

I was just making the point that one can get sacks yet be more of a blitzed than a pass rusher.  No hate here on VW, I like VW as a quality reserve (3rd ILB) but this was more of a compliment on his blitzing and butlers scheme.

[turtle28]

4 hours ago, 3rivers said:

dupree could get 10 sacks on the season, does that mean he is a good pass rusher? VW had how many, would you line him up at edge on a SB last driver vs a good OT? Stats are deceptive, much of that is what teams you played.  Don't you remember the playoff loss last year? That is what I think of when I comment like this, not the way a player can defeat an UDFA rookie in his first start on one play out of how many.

I would yes, if a player gets double digit sacks it means they are a good pass rusher, just like if they get a lot of pressure but those turn into a lot of sacks because the qb got rid of the ball when they were pressured before the player could sack him.

I’m not sure what other metric to use. To me it seems extremely foolish to suggest that a guy isn’t a good pass rusher if they do get near or over 10 sacks.

[3rivers]

1 minute ago, turtle28 said:

To me it seems extremely foolish to suggest that a guy isn’t a good pass rusher if they do get near or over 10 sacks.

if the sacks occur after 5 seconds vs scrubs, then they are coverage related /  other pressure related and the credit should go elsewhere.  Stats are also a result of who you play, lets not kid ourselves. It's extremely foolish to sign a player for $10M per when the tape shows the player gets garbage stats.  Thats the issue here,  it's not the stats you get it's how you get the stats.

 

 

[turtle28]

13 hours ago, 3rivers said:

if the sacks occur after 5 seconds vs scrubs, then they are coverage related /  other pressure related and the credit should go elsewhere.  Stats are also a result of who you play, lets not kid ourselves. It's extremely foolish to sign a player for $10M per when the tape shows the player gets garbage stats.  Thats the issue here,  it's not the stats you get it's how you get the stats.

 

 

Well I honestly believe that if a player gets 10 sacks and multiple pressures a game that the film will prove he’s an effective pass rusher. You don’t luck box yourself into a 8 to 10 sack, 50 plus pressure season, if he ever has one.

[3rivers]

1 hour ago, turtle28 said:

Well I honestly believe that if a player gets 10 sacks and multiple pressures a game that the film will prove he’s an effective pass rusher. You don’t luck box yourself into a 10 sack, 50 plus pressure season, if he ever has one.

Pressures are a good stat , but we will wait and see how this season goes.  

[jebrick]

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2018/9/15/17863368/steelers-lose-550k-in-salary-cap-space-with-injury-settlement-for-tight-end-ladarius-green-nfl-news

 

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The Pittsburgh Steelers might be carrying more salary cap space than they typically have at this time of year, but that figure saw $550,000 taken off the top on Friday with an update to the NFLPA public salary cap report.

In a move first noted by Steelers salary cap specialist Ian Whetstone of Steel City Insider, it would appear the long anticipated injury protection benefit claim for former tight end Ladarius Green has finally hit the books. As per the collective bargaining agreement, Green was eligible for this insurance payout having suffered an injury severe enough to miss the final game of the 2016 season and one that would ultimately lead to his release in May of 2017 after a failed physical.

With Green unable to find a place with a new team since being let go because of this injury, the Steelers were obliged to pay him a percentage of the money he would have earned from his previous contract with them. Last year, this resulted in Green receiving a payment of $1.15 million from Pittsburgh and the $550,000 for 2018 represents the final payment they will have to make in regard to his injury.

 

 

[3rivers]

Now we know why they keep spare salary cap. If this happens to a QB or other elite player, it gets costly.