warfelg Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I'll give yall a guy for potential GM: https://www.vikings.com/team/front-office-roster/george-paton George Paton is the guy that Minny credits with helping build the defense and finding guys to fill out, especially at pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 53 minutes ago, warfelg said: I'll give yall a guy for potential GM: https://www.vikings.com/team/front-office-roster/george-paton George Paton is the guy that Minny credits with helping build the defense and finding guys to fill out, especially at pass rusher. That's sounds great but how hard is it really? It was painfully obvious Jarvis couldn't. Dupree was slooooow off the line. It was equally obvious Lawson and Landry could. It's not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Chieferific said: That's sounds great but how hard is it really? It was painfully obvious Jarvis couldn't. Dupree was slooooow off the line. It was equally obvious Lawson and Landry could. It's not rocket science. Everson Griffin and Brian Robertson were both his finds, mid-late round picks with highly productive pass rushing careers. Hunter was picked in the 3rd by them. Finding good pass rushers is a lot harder than you think. Especially at value picks. He’s also facilitated on good value signings like Newman’s and Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 hours ago, warfelg said: Also for calling for Thomas to be in there: I've heard he isn't practicing well at all. Overrunning a lot of plays. if he overruns plays the way starters run plays then he won't be late for dinner Why not give him a chance here and there and find out. LB isn't the main issue though, but at least they have an option there. All this talk about Shazier I have had enough of because the secondary in 3 positions needs help, that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, warfelg said: Everson Griffin and Brian Robertson were both his finds, mid-late round picks with highly productive pass rushing careers. Hunter was picked in the 3rd by them. Finding good pass rushers is a lot harder than you think. Especially at value picks. He’s also facilitated on good value signings like Newman’s and Johnson I hear ya, but I don't see it that way. I can't think of a quality pass rusher in the League right now where I said…"Wow. Didn't see that coming". OTH, there have been times when I though a guy would be more productive then he turned out to be but that usually has to do with scheme/injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 6 hours ago, August4th said: good article pointing out how bad our coaching is https://steelersdepot.com/2018/10/poor-coaching-undercutting-already-struggling-steelers-defense/ This has gnomon for 4 years now and will they keep doin this inhoipes of drafting Ed Oliver It's got to be butler, I never could listen to him talk either and I'm not a player on his rotten defence either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Chieferific said: That's sounds great but how hard is it really? It was painfully obvious Jarvis couldn't. Dupree was slooooow off the line. It was equally obvious Lawson and Landry could. It's not rocket science. I feel the same way. I would have drafted Houston, Lawson, Ray just to name a few. Billings would have helped for the NT. Want to trade bell? Then pool some picks to get Lawson once you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 28 minutes ago, Chieferific said: I hear ya, but I don't see it that way. I can't think of a quality pass rusher in the League right now where I said…"Wow. Didn't see that coming". OTH, there have been times when I though a guy would be more productive then he turned out to be but that usually has to do with scheme/injury. I mean if that's the case....might as well keep Colbert if you are going to feel like quality pass rushers can't be found. Some of the top 20 sack leaders right now: DeMarcus Lawrence was a 2nd round pick; Eli Harold a 3rd round pick; Larry Ogunjobi was a 3rd round pick; Akiem Hicks a 3rd round pick. Other good players as far as pressure: Mario Addison undrafted, William Hayes 4th round, Za'Darius Smith 4th round; Trey Flowers 4th round; Cam Wake undrafted via CFL, Tyrone Crawford 3rd round, Shaquil Barrett undrafted. So are you saying you were that good that you saw that coming from all of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 How many are stand up OLBs that can cover? Which goes back to my point of an old tired scheme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I think there's the question of which one's can, which one's do, which ones are a pure rusher. Harold, Smith, Flowers, Wake, Barrett can. Lawrence, Ogun, Hicks, Crawford are primarily hand in the ground. Hayes, Addison can rush standing or hand in ground. Some of that is scheme. Some is just not finding them. Some is just player rotation. Like who gives a **** if the other team know because one of these guys are in they are rushing. They still get home despite teams knowing they are coming. We don't even let our DL specialize in pure pass rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 9 hours ago, August4th said: wonder how this unit compares to other defenses with that amount of high draft picks First and 2nd round picks don't necessarily equal talent. Burns, Davis, Bostic and Dupree are not good players and never will be. Watt I'm not sure of. Tuitt and Heyward can be great but are being used poorly. Edmunds... TBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, warfelg said: I mean if that's the case....might as well keep Colbert if you are going to feel like quality pass rushers can't be found. Some of the top 20 sack leaders right now: DeMarcus Lawrence was a 2nd round pick; Eli Harold a 3rd round pick; Larry Ogunjobi was a 3rd round pick; Akiem Hicks a 3rd round pick. Other good players as far as pressure: Mario Addison undrafted, William Hayes 4th round, Za'Darius Smith 4th round; Trey Flowers 4th round; Cam Wake undrafted via CFL, Tyrone Crawford 3rd round, Shaquil Barrett undrafted. So are you saying you were that good that you saw that coming from all of them? Yes, I am saying that. I know you do your fair share of analysis. Did you not see those guys being productive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Chieferific said: Yes, I am saying that. I know you do your fair share of analysis. Did you not see those guys being productive? Not some of them. Harold didn't show the turn of the hips he now has. Barrett was an undersized tweener that didn't excel at anything. Addison and Flowers looked like run stopping specialists. Sorry I call BS if your claiming you saw all of them turning into this. You'd be the best GM ever if you could see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, warfelg said: Not some of them. Harold didn't show the turn of the hips he now has. Barrett was an undersized tweener that didn't excel at anything. Addison and Flowers looked like run stopping specialists. Sorry I call BS if your claiming you saw all of them turning into this. You'd be the best GM ever if you could see that. Slow down Jr. I can tell you I did see these guys being productive. I don't know how far back these forums go but I know for sure I had mentioned several of them Pre-Draft. Some were no brainers and some certainly outplayed what I thought they could. However, I never saw any of them as being scrubs unlike Jarvis whom I would have thought anyone with 2 eyes could see his skillset relied on open rushes to the QB. The ONLY one on that list I can say I was unfamiliar with is Addison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Chieferific said: Slow down Jr. I can tell you I did see these guys being productive. I don't know how far back these forums go but I know for sure I had mentioned several of them Pre-Draft. Some were no brainers and some certainly outplayed what I thought they could. However, I never saw any of them as being scrubs unlike Jarvis whom I would have thought anyone with 2 eyes could see his skillset relied on open rushes to the QB. The ONLY one on that list I can say I was unfamiliar with is Addison. I was deathly wrong about Jarvis....but I thought he had enough tools to work with coming out, even with his flaws. Changed the way I viewed pass rushing prospects going forward. PS....werent you one of the guys who liked Dion Jordan in that draft? Not calling you out or anything, but he was a guy that I never thought would be good, but numerous Steeler fans did. We all have our hits and misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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