C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Malfatron said: arguably, hes even better playing DT Wait is that guy for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 13 hours ago, AntonChigurh said: Mahomes and it is starting to look like its not even close. Maybe the best second year player ever in the NFL Dan Marino would like a word with you..... But seriously, Mahomes's current season isn't even close to Marino's second season in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellChippy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Riftty said: Well the Rams did just lose their back up RB...get Donald in there If he really wants to be the new Watt, he needs to score some tds. Give the man some goal line touches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaa1025 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, C0LTSFAN4L1F3 said: Dan Marino would like a word with you..... But seriously, Mahomes's current season isn't even close to Marino's second season in the league Actually...It's better. Marino's '84 stats. 14-2 record, 64.2% 5084 yards, 48 TD 17 INT, 9.0 Y/A 108.9 QB rating Mahomes current record and pace 10-2 record, 66.9%, 5231 yards, 55 TD 13 INT, 9.15 Y/A, 118.1 QB rating Depending on weather, Mahomes could break PM's TD record. 3 of the Chiefs next 4 games are at arrowhead and the away game is in Seattle. However, they do play the 5th and 9th best defense by DVOA with the Ravens and Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckweath Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 58 minutes ago, C0LTSFAN4L1F3 said: Dan Marino would like a word with you..... But seriously, Mahomes's current season isn't even close to Marino's second season in the league I don't know if you consider Marino's second season as the best season ever by a QB in the history of the league but Mahomes' season is close to as good as any season by any QB in the history. He is playing arguably as good as prime Brady, prime Manning. Same thing for Brees this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, jaa1025 said: 14-2 record, 64.2% 5084 yards, 48 TD 17 INT, 9.0 Y/A 108.9 QB rating Mahomes current record and pace 10-2 record, 66.9%, 5231 yards, 55 TD 13 INT, 9.15 Y/A, 118.1 QB rating This is exactly what is wrong with people these days. They just look at statistics in a vacuum as if that means anything whatsoever. No, Mahomes current season is not even close to Marino's 1984 season. Averages in the NFL in 1984: 56.2 CMP % 4.3 TD% 4.1 INT% 7.1 Y/A 76.1 passer rating Averages in the NFL in 2018: 65.2 CMP% 5.0 TD% 2.4 INT% 7.5Y/A 94.4 Passer rating 54 more touchdowns have been thrown in 2018 than in 1984 and there's still 4 weeks of football left in addition to the games tonight. It's insane the difference. There were 4 QBs with a 90+ passer rating that year, this year there's 23. It is obviously easier to throw the ball today than in 84'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckweath Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, C0LTSFAN4L1F3 said: This is exactly what is wrong with people these days. They just look at statistics in a vacuum as if that means anything whatsoever. No, Mahomes current season is not even close to Marino's 1984 season. Averages in the NFL in 1984: 56.2 CMP % 4.3 TD% 4.1 INT% 7.1 Y/A 76.1 passer rating Averages in the NFL in 2018: 65.2 CMP% 5.0 TD% 2.4 INT% 7.5Y/A 94.4 Passer rating 54 more touchdowns have been thrown in 2018 than in 1984 and there's still 4 weeks of football left in addition to the games tonight. It's insane the difference. There were 4 QBs with a 90+ passer rating that year, this year there's 23. It is obviously easier to throw the ball today than in 84'. It definitly is close. Mahomes is on pace to put up roughly the same stats as Peyton Manning had with the Broncos in 2013, by far the best Manning's season purely in terms of statistics. Think about that for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, Buckweath said: It definitly is close. Mahomes is on pace to put up roughly the same stats as Peyton Manning had with the Broncos in 2013 Mahomes put up slightly better numbers in a season where the average passer rating is up over 18 points from the season Marino had in 84'. So no, it is not close. Marino's 84'>>>>>>Mahomes 18'. This shouldn't be a contested claim, I'm just stating the obvious. Oh, and the same could be said about Mahomes compared to Peyton's 13' season. except 8 points instead of 18 IIRC. And Quote by far the best Manning's season purely in terms of statistics. That's not even true. Peyton's 04' season was better in terms of efficiency stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStanRamFan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 16 hours ago, blizofoz45 said: It would be really awesome if he could play defense too. No. You don't get to use that excuse. I can accept that the MVP award will always go to a QB because of their importance and impact on a team. Since that is the case, you do not get to say things like this. When RB's, WR's, Defensive players start winning the MVP award, then you can make the comment "Well he can't do everything", but until that day comes, this goes out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStanRamFan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 15 hours ago, Buckweath said: Donald is great but he is no prime JJ Watt. He's putting up better number than Watt did in 2014. He's better. Donald is unblockable and is being double teamed more than anyone in the league. He's also actually winning games for us with the plays he made in Seattle, vs KC, and vs Detroit yesterday. Through 12 Games 2018 Donald: 16.5 sacks, 43 Tackles, 20 TFL, 32 QB Hits, 4 FF's, 2 FR 2014 Watt: 11.5 Sacks, 54 Tackles, 16 TFL, 36 QB Hits, 3 FF's, 5 FR. Granted, the Rams aren't using Donald like a gimmick in redzone situations like Texans did with Watt, but Donald is playing better than Watt did. And if he breaks Strahan sack record, it will likely be one of, if not thee, greatest defensive season we've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, BStanRamFan said: He's putting up better number than Watt did in 2014. He's better. Donald is unblockable and is being double teamed more than anyone in the league. He's also actually winning games for us with the plays he made in Seattle, vs KC, and vs Detroit yesterday. Through 12 Games 2018 Donald: 16.5 sacks, 43 Tackles, 20 TFL, 32 QB Hits, 4 FF's, 2 FR 2014 Watt: 11.5 Sacks, 54 Tackles, 16 TFL, 36 QB Hits, 3 FF's, 5 FR. Granted, the Rams aren't using Donald like a gimmick in redzone situations like Texans did with Watt, but Donald is playing better than Watt did. And if he breaks Strahan sack record, it will likely be one of, if not thee, greatest defensive season we've ever seen. I agree. People talk about Watt not only for what he was doing defensively but they look at how he was scoring tds in the redzone. Like seemingly every time we saw highlights of Watt they show him scoring a td and the media was hyping it up like he shouldve been MVP that season. What Donald is doing is far better because nobody is getting this amount of sacks from the defensive tackle position in the history of the NFL. The scary thing is if Im not mistaken Donald went the firs 4 games with no sacks. So technically he has gotten 16.5 sacks in his last 7 games. Thats insane. He is also getting double teamed by far the most in the NFL. Thats what I call domination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, BStanRamFan said: He's putting up better number than Watt did in 2014. He's better. How do you figure? EDIT: 2014 is a little convenient, no? Watt in 2012 had more tackles, more TFLs, and more sacks through 12 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Like I said, if Mahomes and Brees faulter even slightly down the stretch, and Donald keeps doing his thing, I think he is our NFL MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, BStanRamFan said: He's putting up better number than Watt did in 2014. He's better. Donald is unblockable and is being double teamed more than anyone in the league. He's also actually winning games for us with the plays he made in Seattle, vs KC, and vs Detroit yesterday. Through 12 Games 2018 Donald: 16.5 sacks, 43 Tackles, 20 TFL, 32 QB Hits, 4 FF's, 2 FR 2014 Watt: 11.5 Sacks, 54 Tackles, 16 TFL, 36 QB Hits, 3 FF's, 5 FR. Granted, the Rams aren't using Donald like a gimmick in redzone situations like Texans did with Watt, but Donald is playing better than Watt did. And if he breaks Strahan sack record, it will likely be one of, if not thee, greatest defensive season we've ever seen. Watt had 5 total touchdowns that season (3 offense, 2 defense). That is significant. He also had an interception. I get comparing through 12 games to an extent, but obviously Watt went off towards the end of 2014 finishing with over 20 sacks. Maybe Donald gets there or maybe he goes on a drought like he did to start the season. As it stands now, I'm taking Watts 2014 season over Donald's current season, but obviously a lot can change over the next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, tyler735 said: Watt had 5 total touchdowns that season (3 offense, 2 defense). That is significant. He also had an interception. I get comparing through 12 games to an extent, but obviously Watt went off towards the end of 2014 finishing with over 20 sacks. Maybe Donald gets there or maybe he goes on a drought like he did to start the season. As it stands now, I'm taking Watts 2014 season over Donald's current season, but obviously a lot can change over the next month. He’s doing from the inside being doubled over 70% of the time with zero outside pass rush help. Lol. Donald is what you call a driver killer or aka a human wrecking ball. Like what the dog in GOT Fudge Watt. Donald is out here snatching souls. What Donald is doing hasn’t been seen in 4eva. I just don’t think y’all understand what being doubled over 70% time is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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