James Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 I do think I focus too much on what would happen if a role is played to its fullest potential though. It didn't turn out too badly in this one, but the Always Sunny game was a little deflating because so many possibilities weren't even close to being realized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, James said: I do think I focus too much on what would happen if a role is played to its fullest potential though. It didn't turn out too badly in this one, but the Always Sunny game was a little deflating because so many possibilities weren't even close to being realized. I've never hosted, but that has to be a massive letdown when your plans as a host don't get realized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tk3 said: I mean.. We had to lynch scum 3 nights in a row to get to where we were. I guess from my perspective with a 10-3-1 ratio, mafia having the decisively more powerful role-set is OP. I feel like in a full vanilla game 10-3 would be a fair ratio The night you all lynched me, the SK was going to kill me. His back up kill was Squire. Little things like that are underrated when it comes to balance. It was fine balance imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Tk3 said: I've never hosted, but that has to be a massive letdown when your plans as a host don't get realized. My last game both sides would get a power-up when any of 5 random vanillas died. But all the civ specials died pretty quickly, so not only did they not get to use their power-ups, but the ones the mafia got were useless since they didn't have civ moves to contend with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Also, for the record: I protected Whicker N3, but the logic that got me there was faulty. It really was dumb luck. I protected Whicker N2, and I speculated that perhaps I blocked correctly, which is why we were missing a death. I was hoping mafia assumed it was the JOAT self protecting (as we discussed in thread), and that they would try again the next night when he couldn't protect himself. That was the logic behind protecting Whicker N3. I guess a little of it was WIFOM that I didn't think they would hit Gopher since it would be very likely that he would be protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: I think I pointed that out in chat, that you nailed all 3 of us. As for claiming, I already told you this, but no. We thought Whicker was the protector. It makes more sense that he would protect himself than he would pull a protection without a claim. We werent hitting you that night until you claimed. So I don't THINK I could have protected myself, although I never confirmed with @James However, in the event that the unblockable died, I was going to suggest to the thread that the protector should claim, then self-protect everynight and be essentially immune. I was hoping that a mafia would take the bait and try to claim it. Sad that we never got to see that plan play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Tk3 said: So I don't THINK I could have protected myself, although I never confirmed with @James However, in the event that the unblockable died, I was going to suggest to the thread that the protector should claim, then self-protect everynight and be essentially immune. I was hoping that a mafia would take the bait and try to claim it. Sad that we never got to see that plan play out. It wouldn't make sense thematically, but I would've let you self-protect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tk3 said: I mean.. We had to lynch scum 3 nights in a row to get to where we were. I guess from my perspective with a 10-3-1 ratio, mafia having the decisively more powerful role-set is OP. I feel like in a full vanilla game 10-3 would be a fair ratio Your JOAT took out a civ N1.Mafia invest finds civ invest N1 Your pardoned saved a civ lynch D2 Your protector blocked hits N1 and N3. SK and mafia hits overlap N2 SK hit N4 on lynched Civ invest finds pardoned N1 There were a lot of moves that really could have changed things greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, James said: It wouldn't make sense thematically, but I would've let you self-protect. So in the scenario in which the unblockable hit died, I could have claimed (never be lynched) and self protected every night (never be hit)? That would literally be breaking the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Tk3 said: So in the scenario in which the unblockable hit died, I could have claimed (never be lynched) and self protected every night (never be hit)? That would literally be breaking the game Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, squire12 said: Your JOAT took out a civ N1.Mafia invest finds civ invest N1 Your pardoned saved a civ lynch D2 Your protector blocked hits N1 and N3. SK and mafia hits overlap N2 SK hit N4 on lynched Civ invest finds pardoned N1 There were a lot of moves that really could have changed things greatly. I guess my point is; we had a successful pardon, TWO successful blocks, got the benefit of 2 hits not landing due to the players being dead/lynched Not to mention we had THREE consecutive non-town lynches. It took ALL of that just to come CLOSE to winning and still wound up LYLO Obviously civs made some errors, civs ALWAYS will due to lack of information. But the point is, the civs did a TON right. This could EASILY have been one of those runaways, and had things not improved on D3 there is no coming back from it. Mathematically over at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, James said: Yep. Well then its too bad nobody would lynch Squire with me on N3 when everyone wanted Dome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tk3 said: I guess my point is; we had a successful pardon, TWO successful blocks, got the benefit of 2 hits not landing due to the players being dead/lynched Not to mention we had THREE consecutive non-town lynches. It took ALL of that just to come CLOSE to winning and still wound up LYLO Obviously civs made some errors, civs ALWAYS will due to lack of information. But the point is, the civs did a TON right. This could EASILY have been one of those runaways, and had things not improved on D3 there is no coming back from it. Mathematically over at that point. You also had the disadvantage that literally I was the only mafia to make a blatant mistake in thread. We had 3 vets, we nailed your most important role N1, and that role outted Malf for us. The mafia overall played pretty well, especially since we hung Dome out to dry D2 with super aggressive play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tk3 said: Well then its too bad nobody would lynch Squire with me on N3 when everyone wanted Dome I was prepared to do anything to make sure Squire lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: I was prepared to do anything to make sure Squire lived. Why doesn't that man have nipples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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