dtait93 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, KingTitan said: Vacarro, Finch and Ryan might not be ready for Saturday. Ryan and Vaccaro are big. Luckily we're playing a 4th string QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, -Hope- said: i don't care about the numbers. i just want him to catch it when he has the chance. he doesn't do that. He has a 71.4% catch rate and a 4.8% drop rate. Corey Davis has a 57.4% catch rate and a 9.7% drop rate. Those stats aren't including today I don't believe. I think his drops have just been magnified because they were on big plays down the field. I didn't perceive his drop issue to be as big of an issue as you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, TitanSS said: He has a 71.4% catch rate and a 4.8% drop rate. Corey Davis has a 57.4% catch rate and a 9.7% drop rate. Those stats aren't including today I don't believe. I think his drops have just been magnified because they were on big plays down the field. I didn't perceive his drop issue to be as big of an issue as you do. that's the thing- literally the majority of his role in the offense is to be a deep threat. that's an important piece of the shanahan/lafleur offense, and he can't execute it consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 What has Taywan dropped besides the pass today and the pass against Miami in week 1? I can't remember. I also don't think he has an issue tracking the deep ball either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragevsuall17 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I don't know how anyone in their right mind thinks Eli was better than Marcus today. A couple of "tight" spirals? OK! We haven't needed Mariota the past couple weeks. We've been able to establish the run game... And that's once again something opponents have to fear. It gives the play action dimension an extra boost. We probably won't need Marcus to do much this week either. Good defense, strong run game, and a qb that can lead and manage as needed. That's a winning football formula, especially outdoors in December. We'll need more Marcus if we make the playoffs, especially if we play in a dome. But i'm confident in Marcus and this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, -Hope- said: that's the thing- literally the majority of his role in the offense is to be a deep threat. that's an important piece of the shanahan/lafleur offense, and he can't execute it consistently. He definitely needs to do a better job tracking the deep ball, but I wouldn't throw him aside as a special teams player just because of his struggles earlier in the year. I think he's had one drop on a deep ball since the bye, and it was the underthrow last week where it hit him in the face. It should have been caught but he did have to stop and come back to it. Some of the ones earlier in the year, there was the one he got face-masked while trying to catch it and that one in the end zone where it was a really hard catch and isn't rule a drop. Who have been the consistent speedy deep threats in Shanahan's offenses? Seriously asking. Julio, but he would be more in Corey Davis' role. Davis can go deep too, but it's going to be on route-running than speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, ragevsuall17 said: I don't know how anyone in their right mind thinks Eli was better than Marcus today. A couple of "tight" spirals? OK! We haven't needed Mariota the past couple weeks. We've been able to establish the run game... And that's once again something opponents have to fear. It gives the play action dimension an extra boost. We probably won't need Marcus to do much this week either. Good defense, strong run game, and a qb that can lead and manage as needed. That's a winning football formula, especially outdoors in December. We'll need more Marcus if we make the playoffs, especially if we play in a dome. But i'm confident in Marcus and this team. If Mariota was asked to do anything other than throw a 5 yard pass more than once you would have seen him make mistakes too, but we're fortunate that he didn't have to. Eli was throwing better balls than Mariota the majority of the time. Neither of the QBs played well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, TitanSS said: He definitely needs to do a better job tracking the deep ball, but I wouldn't throw him aside as a special teams player just because of his struggles earlier in the year. I think he's had one drop on a deep ball since the bye, and it was the underthrow last week where it hit him in the face. It should have been caught but he did have to stop and come back to it. Some of the ones earlier in the year, there was the one he got face-masked while trying to catch it and that one in the end zone where it was a really hard catch and isn't rule a drop. Who have been the consistent speedy deep threats in Shanahan's offenses? Seriously asking. Julio, but he would be more in Corey Davis' role. Davis can go deep too, but it's going to be on route-running than speed. marquise goodwin in SF, brandin cooks/sammy watkins in LA (under mcvay of course). taylor gabriel to some extent in ATL but of course having a guy like julio changes things. corey’s good, but he’s obviously not julio, needless to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTuff Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Mariota puts it on his back on 3rd downs. Doesn't get enough credit for converting. He might not have a ton of yards, but the ones he has are important. And that block.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragevsuall17 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Fox credits Taylor with 1 drop all season... And that's obviously not correct. He has one last week, he had one against the Chargers, 2 against the Dolphins, and 1 (maybe 2) against the Eagles. Just what I remember. But it's at least 6...on what... 25 catches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, -Hope- said: marquise goodwin in SF, brandin cooks/sammy watkins in LA (under mcvay of course). taylor gabriel to some extent in ATL but of course having a guy like julio changes things. corey’s good, but he’s obviously not julio, needless to say. I don't really think Goodwin or Gabriel are that much better than Taylor. I think he can do similar things to both of them. Neither has vastly outperformed him with Shannahan. I guess I just don't think some of the flaws we've seen are dooming down the road with him as a WR. I think he will get over some of the shortcomings, but maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragevsuall17 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, TitanSS said: If Mariota was asked to do anything other than throw a 5 yard pass more than once you would have seen him make mistakes too, but we're fortunate that he didn't have to. Eli was throwing better balls than Mariota the majority of the time. Neither of the QBs played well. He wasn't asked to do that. Well he das at least once... And Taylor dropped a 1st down inside the 10. But regardless, the run game was dominating. The weather was bad... No need to try to force things. The Giants had to... And Eli ended up turning the ball over twice. He threw various freaking ducks... High, wobbly throws, prayers... At least 2 were caught... It was insane... That's not what I want from my qb... It's almost comical the shade Mariota gets. But whatever. He's definitely my qb... Has led us to a 5-2 record since the bye... Without much help prior to these last 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, ragevsuall17 said: Fox credits Taylor with 1 drop all season... And that's obviously not correct. He has one last week, he had one against the Chargers, 2 against the Dolphins, and 1 (maybe 2) against the Eagles. Just what I remember. But it's at least 6...on what... 25 catches? 30 catches. He's credited with 3 drops. I know at least one of the ones in Miami wasn't counted as a drop. It would have been a really difficult catch. I don't remember what the other one was against them. Probably the same with the Eagles "drop". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, ragevsuall17 said: He wasn't asked to do that. Well he das at least once... And Taylor dropped a 1st down inside the 10. But regardless, the run game was dominating. The weather was bad... No need to try to force things. The Giants had to... And Eli ended up turning the ball over twice. He threw various freaking ducks... High, wobbly throws, prayers... At least 2 were caught... It was insane... That's not what I want from my qb... It's almost comical the shade Mariota gets. But whatever. He's definitely my qb... Has led us to a 5-2 record since the bye... Without much help prior to these last 2 games. The Giants had at least 5 drops. No mention of the weather of affecting Taylor's drop, it's just his fault, but can't say anything about Mariota's left handed looking passes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 And I'm not saying Eli was better than Marcus. I honestly believe Marcus struggled to throw a decent ball more than Eli did. Neither played well. Eli had more opportunities to throw a better ball and more reason to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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