ET80 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, mtmmike said: Why hasn’t he put New York in the playoffs if he is that good Look at what NY has. Barkley, OBJ, Landon Collins. If they were in the playoff picture, they would be the greatest players ever at their position. That's why this was a smart pick - the Giants are not a good team, with very little in terms of impact starters or key contributors. They were in the position to pick the best player available, and they did in Saquan. I'll never fault a team for going BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, ET80 said: Look at what NY has. Barkley, OBJ, Landon Collins. If they were in the playoff picture, they would be the greatest players ever at their position. That's why this was a smart pick - the Giants are not a good team, with very little in terms of impact starters or key contributors. They were in the position to pick the best player available, and they did in Saquan. I'll never fault a team for going BPA. You make a excellent post but I would not trade mayfield for him just because he won us 6 games this year with arguably the worst coach in the history of the nfl. besides I could give your 4rb that are better than Barkley at the start of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, mtmmike said: You make a excellent post but I would not trade mayfield for him No one is asking you to. Mayfield is perfect for Cleveland, he's transforming a losing culture - he's been an underdog his whole life and went from walk-on to #1 pick. He's got the mental fortitude that Cleveland needed, and it shows. 2 minutes ago, mtmmike said: besides I could give your 4rb that are better than Barkley at the start of the year Start of the year? What do you mean? I mean, I'd imagine that Le'Veon Bell and David Johnson were on that list, and Saquan has proven to be better right now (which is what matters). Right now, only Gurley and Zeke have an argument against Saquan and it comes down to personal preference among those three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, mtmmike said: You make a excellent post but I would not trade mayfield for him just because he won us 6 games this year with arguably the worst coach in the history of the nfl. besides I could give your 4rb that are better than Barkley at the start of the year Given that he hadn't played a down at that point in the NFL and everything was based on projections, that's really not all that surprising. Most people don't just credit a rookie for being the best, or even a top 3 player at his position the moment he steps on to the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Forge said: Given that he hadn't played a down at that point in the NFL and everything was based on projections, that's really not all that surprising. Most people don't just credit a rookie for being the best, or even a top 3 player at his position the moment he steps on to the field. I like barkley to but had Cleveland drafted him with hue the coach we would have been drafting 1st again Barkley is in the top 10 percent at his position but that is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, ET80 said: Look at what NY has. Barkley, OBJ, Landon Collins. If they were in the playoff picture, they would be the greatest players ever at their position. That's why this was a smart pick - the Giants are not a good team, with very little in terms of impact starters or key contributors. They were in the position to pick the best player available, and they did in Saquan. I'll never fault a team for going BPA. And OBJ is about to miss his 3rd straight game and Landon got put on IR. That stupid illegal leg whip tackle by the Eagles on the last play of that game (that wasn't called) messed up Odell's leg bad. He played hurt against the Bears then started sitting out when it got worse. Landon played about a half of the Bears game not able to move his left arm then tore his labrum the next game against Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, mtmmike said: I like barkley to but had Cleveland drafted him with hue the coach we would have been drafting 1st again Barkley is in the top 10 percent at his position but that is it. You keep on trying to make this about Cleveland. Nobody questions what Cleveland did at #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, jrry32 said: I literally just explained why the coaching staff and roster Fisher put together were at fault for it. A lot of people failed at their job, not just Fisher. It’s a lazy blanket statement to just blame Fisher for Gurley’s struggles which is why I asked for context outside of, “LOL Fisher” which you gave. Sounds to me like the OC, OL Coach, the OL, and the surrounding weapons all failed at their jobs. Fisher failed for bringing them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, ET80 said: You keep on trying to make this about Cleveland. Nobody questions what Cleveland did at #1. Time will tell. Cleveland was the only other team with an opportunity to draft Barkley. So if Barkley becomes a HOFer, Mayfeild better be very very good or the pick will be questioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellChippy Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gmen said: Time will tell. Cleveland was the only other team with an opportunity to draft Barkley. So if Barkley becomes a HOFer, Mayfeild better be very very good or the pick will be questioned I doubt it. They also drafted Chubb who’s arguably been a top five back since he’s started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, ET80 said: You keep on trying to make this about Cleveland. Nobody questions what Cleveland did at #1. Barkley as ranked by pff is only the 7 th rated back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, mtmmike said: sense mayfield is only 10th best at his position why did you not trade up to get to the playoffs this year http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating Try 21st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, mtmmike said: Barkley as ranked by pff is only the 7 th rated back . So PFF is now the gospel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 48 minutes ago, ET80 said: You keep on trying to make this about Cleveland. Nobody questions what Cleveland did at #1. EXACTLY. Look, it wouldn't surprise me if every QB taken after Barkley turned out to be a bust at this point. Not saying they will. Giants didn't have the option to take Mayfield. Meanwhile, Barkley is looking to be an all time great at his position someday. You can't always get talent like that. It will prove a very valuable pick when they eventually do get their QB. The guy's job will be FAR easier with a back like Barkley taking pressure off of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, ET80 said: So PFF is now the gospel? He's also wrong about that.https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/saquon-barkley/45791 Barkley is 3rd. 2nd is Melvin Gordon on their website. I don't know who's first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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