pwny Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 39 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: I think you can only trade draft picks 2 years into the future, not sure anybody would have (4) to offer. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/eagles-can-trade-picks-into-2018-draft-once-the-2015-draft-opens/ You can trade current + 2 years more. Once the draft starts, you can trade a year further. Meaning on draft day, you could trade 4 firsts. There’s also teams with multiple firsts in one season, who could do 2 one year, then 1+1. It’s perfectly possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellChippy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 53 minutes ago, Shoeless said: Oh, it is unique for sure. And I wouldn't want to be Howie right now - I probably wouldn't sleep an hour. That's why he gets paid big bucks to make hard decisions. Again, everything you suggest makes a ton of sense. I was 100% in the Wentz camp until he was hurt yet again, and I saw how the team responded to Nick. I'm not out of the Wentz camp, just actually willing to "listen" to how insane a team might be to overpay for Carson. Hypothetical: A team offers you (4) 1sts for Wentz this summer, do you take it? Or is he 100% untouchable no matter what? Definitely not untouchable. Perhaps he would be without the injury history. Four firsts would probably be too hard to pass up. I wonder if his trade value would be hurt by our unique situation. I’ll admit it’s fun to think about the roster we could make with those picks and the potential cap savings from Foles vs. Wentz. I wonder what kind of contract we would sign Foles to assuming we traded Wentz. The fan in me is a different story altogether. Last post season I said (and stand by it) that if Foles wins us a super bowl I won’t care if they went with him going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoeless Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, KellChippy said: I’ll admit it’s fun to think about the roster we could make with those picks and the potential cap savings from Foles vs. Wentz. I wonder what kind of contract we would sign Foles to assuming we traded Wentz. That's what I mean. Just imagine if the Birds traded Wentz for (3) or (4) 1st rounders, then extended Foles for 6 years and signed Le'Veon Bell. The franchise could be set up for the next 6 years with Foles, Bell, all the other weapons, plus (2) 1st rounders for the next 3 or 4 years. The Eagles could use 1 or 2 of those extra 1sts on QB's over the next few years and still have extra, plus an elite RB in in Bell and a QB that fits the system perfectly in Foles. This is probably all far-fetched, but man, not sure how the Eagles couldn't be set-up for a potential dynasty run with this type of situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Clowns who want to put down Foles always include the St Louis numbers. I concede that Wentz may have been able to lead the 2015 Rams to a 5-6 record instead of a 4-7 record and he might have had 8 TDs and 10 interceptions. Who Cares? We are talking about winning divisions and playoff games, not Jeff Fisher. That's because Apples to Apples Foles is superior to Wentz. Every real throw by both players as Eagles leads to better numbers for Foles. This even includes 7 games (6 starts) on that awful, injured, 2012 team that got Reid fired. How about these numbers: 2017-2018 Agholor and Jeffrey targets. With Wentz (24/23 games) 7.6 yards per target and a TD every 15.8 throws With Foles (10/8 games) 9.3 yards per target and a TD every 13.1 throws. Foles (3.83% sack rate) also gets more targets because he avoids the rush much better than Wentz (6.56% sack rate) Foles passer rating on all real throws in 2017-18 is 102.3 Wentz has a rating of 102.0 in the same time period. If you want to include that exhibition game and exclude the playoffs then have fun with your self delusion. Foles is 9-1 in those 10 games and Wentz is 16-8 The only place where Wentz is better is if you are playing Madden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 By the way, I think they should Pay the 20 million to Foles next year and keep Wentz as the backup and let it play out. Their combined cap hit would be about the same as Cousins. Foles has to agree to stay and Wentz has to not be a big baby about spending a year as Steve Young. If Foles struggles or gets hurt then Wentz can play and will play well. The Eagles then decide in 2020 if they want to commit to Wentz or work something out with Foles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Jesus , talk about skewing the stats to fit a agenda. Never mind the atrocious pass protection, horrific playcalling and complete lack of a Running game do to injuries the first 12 games of the season. The fact that Doug Pederson once again "Changed" his offense to fit Foles Strengths but expects Wentz to be Superman having none of the above. Eagles finally start playing Defense, protecting the passer, running the ball and its ALL attributed to Nick Foles playing QB? Amusing! How about players actually getting healthier? That help? Adapting your playcalling? Better Defense, more possessions? Wentz is basically getting the McNabb treatment from Pederson. Which is Sad because you'd figure Doug would know better? Being Asked to be everything because he can, He's that gifted!! Rather then a QB asked to run a specific game plan catered to his strengths. That's the difference between the two. What Foles was/is doing is miraculous don't get me wrong but he is not a better QB then Carson Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellChippy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 10:19 PM, KellChippy said: vs playoff teams (Regular season) Wentz- 381-601-63.4%-4050-25-14 6.7 ypa 87.2 rtg (7-9 W-L, plays playoff teams 40.0% of career games) Foles (PHI)- 206-336-61.3%-2564-13-10 7.6 ypa 85.5 rtg (5-4 W-L, plays playoff teams 26.5% of PHI career games) Career SOS (strength of opponents faced) Wentz- 330-305-5 Foles (PHI)- 251-291-2 Total down conversion % Wentz- 1st down- 28.9%, 2nd down- 31.7%, 3rd down- 41.3%, total- 33.7% Foles (PHI)- 1st down- 27.2%, 2nd down- 31.8%, 3rd down- 36.6%, total- 31.7% Red Zone & Goal Line Wentz- RZ-118-209-56.5%-798-55-2 100.6 rtg GL-45-74-60.8%-170-33-2 93.6 rtg Foles (PHI)- RZ- 86-158-54.4%-569-34-3 94.1 rtg GL-30-63-47.6%-141-20-1 87.2 rtg vs Top 15 pass D (rtg) Wentz- 442-713-62.0%-5203-36-18 7.3ypa 90.5 rtg (47.5% of gms (19) are against top 15 pass d (rtg)) Foles (PHI)- 175-295-59.3%-2146-14-8 7.3ypa 86.4 rtg (23.5% of gms (8) are against top 15 pass d (rtg)) vs Top 15 Pass D (yds) Wentz- 462-740-62.4%-5217-44-16 7.1ypa 94.3 rtg (50.0% of gms (20) are against top 15 pass d (yds)) Foles (PHI)- 172-272-63.2%-1942-11-7 7.1ypa 87.3 rtg (26.5% of gms (9) are against top 15 pass d (yds)) vs Top 15 D (pts) Wentz- 594-952-62.4%-6417-43-21 6.7ypa 88.0 rtg (62.5% of gms (25) are against top 15 d (pts)) Foles (PHI)- 182-299-60.9%-2057-14-10 6.9ypa 83.2 rtg (23.5% of gms (8) are against top 15 d (pts)) vs Top 15 D (yds) Wentz- 545-861-63.3%-5941-44-16 6.9ypa 92.9 rtg (60.0% of gms (24) are against top 15 d (yds)) Foles (PHI)- 115-204-56.4%-1298-7-5 6.4ypa 76.8 rtg (20.6% of gms (7) are against top 15 d (yds)) Prime Time Wentz- 272-413-65.9%-3034-23-7 7.3ypa 99.1 rtg (8-4 WL) Foles (career & PHI)- 196-313-62.6%-2172-10-7 6.9ypa 84.5 rtg (7-3 WL) Now it’s just the Philly numbers. Surprise, Foles still pales in comparison. Here’s more numbers: The defense has only a 26.8% (15-56) opposing 3rd down conversion in the 5 gms Foles played vs the 39.0% (57-146) in the 11 gms Wentz played. The D has forced 8 TOs in Foles 5 gms vs 9 in Wentz 11 gms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 I just edited the OP, I made a mistake in calculating the 2011 season (spreadsheet had some wrong numbers). The best season of the last 11 years was not throws by '07 Brady (+6.5), but by '11 Rodgers (+6.75), with '13 Manning (+5.69) a distant challenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 And for anyone interested, the league's top (and bottom) units by WAR: Offense: Kansas City Chiefs - +6.85 Worst: Arizona Cardinals - -4.01 Passing Offense: Kansas City Chiefs - +4.80 Worst: Buffalo Bills - -4.08 Rushing Offense: Los Angeles Rams - +3.58 Worst: San Francisco 49ers - -1.77 (Largely in part due to a god-awful TD% and a fumble rate nearly double the average) Defense: Chicago Bears - +4.20 Worst: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - -3.98 Passing Defense: Chicago Bears - +2.78 Worst: San Francisco 49ers - -2.70 Rushing Defense: Chicago Bears - +1.42 Worst: Arizona Cardinals - -2.77 Special Teams: New Orleans Saints - +0.62 Worst: Cleveland Browns - -0.58 Teams With a Positive WAR In All Regards (Offense, Passing Offense, Rushing Offense, Defense, Passing Defense, Rushing Defense, and Special Teams): New England Patriots Indianapolis Colts Teams With a Negative WAR In All Regards: Detroit Lions San Francisco 49ers Special Teams saved the Cardinals and Jets from this list of futility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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