VigilantZombie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, MD4L said: Fair enough. I’m an ACC guy first and foremost anyhow. It makes me curious though honestly because I agree with the argument that just because historically a school doesn't develop a position well doesn't mean the next guy up isn't going to be any good I agree with that 100% it really comes down to coaching. Having said that if you look at schools like USC Florida Ohio State and I guess you could I even say really Penn State for example they have almost never developed at quarterback worth mentioning. Obviously the book is still out on Sam darnold. And I honestly don't understand it maybe it's just the luck of the draw and whose team the end up on on in the NFL I don't know because in college a lot of these guys has been really really good for whatever reason it does not translate well and I think it's more coincidence that these particular people have played for these particular teams just because he's particular teams are really good recruiting teams but I mean at some point you almost fall into that history speaks for itself mindset which I have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheltzbahr Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I had a guy on my BB that does not exist. wtf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, pheltzbahr said: I had a guy on my BB that does not exist. wtf You know I know I'm relatively new here but something tells me I shouldn't be surprised that you are the one that said this 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, wwhickok said: It makes me curious though honestly because I agree with the argument that just because historically a school doesn't develop a position well doesn't mean the next guy up isn't going to be any good I agree with that 100% it really comes down to coaching. Having said that if you look at schools like USC Florida Ohio State and I guess you could I even say really Penn State for example they have almost never developed at quarterback worth mentioning. Obviously the book is still out on Sam darnold. And I honestly don't understand it maybe it's just the luck of the draw and whose team the end up on on in the NFL I don't know because in college a lot of these guys has been really really good for whatever reason it does not translate well and I think it's more coincidence that these particular people have played for these particular teams just because he's particular teams are really good recruiting teams but I mean at some point you almost fall into that history speaks for itself mindset which I have done When was the last time Alabama had a QB succeed in the NFL? Namath and Starr? Are you going to apply that same mindset to Tua? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, bcb1213 said: How dare you disrespect Bobby Hoying, Joe Germaine, Craig Krenzel, Troy Smith and Terrell Pryor First of all I don't even know who the first three are that shows you how relevant they were in the NFL. Secondly the last two were not good quarterbacks in the NFL by any stretch of the imagination and Terrelle Pryor wasn't even that good of a wide receiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheltzbahr Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, wwhickok said: You know I know I'm relatively new here but something tells me I shouldn't be surprised that you are the one that said this That's hurtful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 hours ago, bcb1213 said: @Taylor091 used to to run a team with us if he's not attached else where he would be a great guy to bounce questions off of. I still got him. We've been PMing all draft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, Ragnarok said: When was the last time Alabama had a QB succeed in the NFL? Namath and Starr? Are you going to apply that same mindset to Tua? Not at all I mean what you're saying is completely Fair. Like I said there's always exceptions to the rules Marcus Mariota might not be a world-beater but he's a decent quarterback and before him I mean have we had a successful Oregon quarterback the only one I can think of is Dennis Dixon and he was a complete failure for the Steelers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I'm more the mindset that your best NFL qb don't have top tier talent to throw to in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Ragnarok said: When was the last time Alabama had a QB succeed in the NFL? Namath and Starr? Are you going to apply that same mindset to Tua? I think part of the reason that we don't see more success out of Alabama quarterbacks is because really it's not what their offense is about. They have a good passing game but they are all run first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, bcb1213 said: I'm more the mindset that your best NFL qb don't have top tier talent to throw to in college. I agree with that as well honestly. I mean if you really think about the guys even in recent drafts that have been taken that are truly the top quarterbacks and I'm not talking about guys they were necessarily taken in the first round of the guys that you see develop and play in the NFL they were really the best quarterbacks when you go back and look at who they played with I feel like and maybe I'm wrong here because I'm not cross checking this statement at the moment but I feel like when you look at the wide receivers that they might have played with that are in the NFL did not necessarily at the top of the list of success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, wwhickok said: Not at all I mean what you're saying is completely Fair. Like I said there's always exceptions to the rules Marcus Mariota might not be a world-beater but he's a decent quarterback and before him I mean have we had a successful Oregon quarterback the only one I can think of is Dennis Dixon and he was a complete failure for the Steelers Joey Harrington? Kellen Clemens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Guys like Limas sweed and Mike Wallace are prime examples that any fool can catch a football in college and they don't have to be super reliable or be able to run a ton of route trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, wwhickok said: It makes me curious though honestly because I agree with the argument that just because historically a school doesn't develop a position well doesn't mean the next guy up isn't going to be any good I agree with that 100% it really comes down to coaching. Having said that if you look at schools like USC Florida Ohio State and I guess you could I even say really Penn State for example they have almost never developed at quarterback worth mentioning. Obviously the book is still out on Sam darnold. And I honestly don't understand it maybe it's just the luck of the draw and whose team the end up on on in the NFL I don't know because in college a lot of these guys has been really really good for whatever reason it does not translate well and I think it's more coincidence that these particular people have played for these particular teams just because he's particular teams are really good recruiting teams but I mean at some point you almost fall into that history speaks for itself mindset which I have done Using that logic is there any school that is active with multiple quality QBs? Cal is the first program that comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, bcb1213 said: Joey Harrington? Kellen Clemens I forgot about them to you know what though I'm glad you brought up Joey Harrington. That is actually a quarterback that came out of Oregon that I feel really strongly could have had a really good career if he would have landed pretty much anywhere other than Detroit at that time. Detroit was a dumpster fire and by the time they started getting good his career was virtually over he took too many hits his stats were far too bad for anybody to take a chance on and he really received no developmental coaching in Detroit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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