Tank4Drake Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, NickButera said: How do people forget this. Carr wasn't allowed in he building. It wasn't his choice to put a headset on or not. Due to his injury clause they wouldn't even let him work out in the team facilities Because of what they'd owe him if he was hurt. You are completely misinformed here.... Carr called Ziegler and McDaniels and ASKED if he could not show up to the games. It was one of the biggest non-leadership moves ever, and confirms me calling him sensitive all those years. He is EXTREMELY sensitive. And he is NOT a leader. And the Saints players also agree he isn't a leader. You can be a nice guy and not be a good leader. Nice doesn't equal good leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Tank4Drake said: I never said Jimmy was going to replicate Carr's production, I've been the biggest Jimmy G credit of the entire FootballsFuture forum over the past 5 years, not just the Raider subforum. And sometimes you have to get worse at QB to eventually find your QB of the Future. There was zero point keeping Carr, he keeps you 6-9 wins every year and is below average. Always out of range of trading up in the draft. This year we are once again out of range though, but it's a deep QB class and we still should be able to land one of the Top 5 being Maye, Caleb, Penix, Jayden, or McCarthy. The Raiders with Carr had top 10 picks like every other season, I don’t know how you can argue he makes it so you can’t draft a qb, when we’ve had the possiblity to draft a number of good qbs with him. again, this year after moving on we should’ve just tanked. this team can never decide if they are building for future or in win now mode. No identity. It’s been a problem for years, which you also said was an excuse for Carr. It was not, unfortunately it was just the truth about our team. we haven’t thought out the moves we make because, we constantly have coaches fighting to keep their jobs.. not trying to build for the future. Again, what you say an excuse for Carr, but just clearly what’s been going on with this team. If we wanted to compete, should’ve kept Carr or made a big move for a qb. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 11 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Carr had been very durable throughout his career and missed parts of 4 games this year due to significant injuries (shoulder, back, head). So yes father time is catching up to him from all the years of abuse on the abysmal teams we fielded. Three years ago he takes those hits with no ill effect. His body healed up, the team started to gel and he played at a high level down the stretch. All QBs get banged up during the season, its the NFL. You tried to use that as an excuse for Carrs bad play as if he doesn’t typically have stretches every season where hes bad. Physically, Carr looks like the same guy. He just had a bad stretch of games like he does every season. Just like he has a stretch of hot games. Hes the same inconsistent guy he’s always been. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: You are completely misinformed here.... Carr called Ziegler and McDaniels and ASKED if he could not show up to the games. It was one of the biggest non-leadership moves ever, and confirms me calling him sensitive all those years. He is EXTREMELY sensitive. And he is NOT a leader. And the Saints players also agree he isn't a leader. You can be a nice guy and not be a good leader. Nice doesn't equal good leader. 1 player on the saints.. MT, who is a diva and not a leader himself. No coincidence the team playing better since he been gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: LMFAO, I have been the biggest Jimmy G critic on this entire forum for 5+ years, go ask the Niner subforum about my posts on Jimmy G. I have also said multiple times during the offseason that Carr is better than Jimmy. The fact is sometimes you need to be bad for a year to get a good QB. We should have never signed Jimmy, went 5-12, and got an elite prospect. The other fact is that even landing a top pick doesn't guarantee you land a stud. Had we kept JM for the full season I am quite confident the team would have totally quit and we would have won 4 games. The unfortunate thing is this team is neither bad nor good enough. What we need is to land a good HC, GM and draft a stud QB. That isn't asking too much is it LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: again, this year after moving on we should’ve just tanked. 100%. The Jimmy G signing made ZERO sense. Either keep Carr and compete (barf), trade up for and develop a QB (Stroud, Richardson) (should have done this...) or tank and get a QB in the 2024 draft. Signing Jimmy G and trying to win is the type of moves losing organizations make. The 3 options above are all better options by far (with the Carr option being the worst of the three). Edited January 7 by Tank4Drake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: The other fact is that even landing a top pick doesn't guarantee you land a stud. Had we kept JM for the full season I am quite confident the team would have totally quit and we would have won 4 games. The unfortunate thing is this team is neither bad nor good enough. What we need is to land a good HC, GM and draft a stud QB. That isn't asking too much is it LOL True.. but you already know what you have in Carr and he's not the guy. Therefore you keep taking the mystery box until you find the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: 100%. The Jimmy G signing made ZERO sense. Either keep Carr and compete (barf), trade up for and develop a QB (Stroud, Richardson) (should have done this...) or tank and get a QB in the 2024 draft. Signing Jimmy G and trying to win is the types of moves losing organizations make. The 3 options above are all better options by far (with the Carr option being the worst of the three). So would the Raiders constantly making moves that are what losing organizations would make over Carr’s career… an excuse or a fact lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said: All QBs get banged up during the season, its the NFL. You tried to use that as an excuse for Carrs bad play as if he doesn’t typically have stretches every season where hes bad. Physically, Carr looks like the same guy. He just had a bad stretch of games like he does every season. Just like he has a stretch of hot games. Hes the same inconsistent guy he’s always been. New team, new coaches, new players and multiple significant injuries to start the year. It takes time to not only gel as a unit but also to get healthy. Those things came together down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 9 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: You are completely misinformed here.... Carr called Ziegler and McDaniels and ASKED if he could not show up to the games. It was one of the biggest non-leadership moves ever, and confirms me calling him sensitive all those years. He is EXTREMELY sensitive. And he is NOT a leader. And the Saints players also agree he isn't a leader. You can be a nice guy and not be a good leader. Nice doesn't equal good leader. This is categorically false. As has been reported by multiple beat writers around the team after the dust settled. The guaranteed money's for injury loomed large and the whole reason of benching him from any possibility of injury was to protect the team against that money, they couldn't risk playing him and asked him to be away because of team distractions. No other report has even implied that it was Carrs decision. "Carr was the consummate professional. When it was explained to him that they were not making him the scapegoat but that they had to decide to bench him because of the contract and guarantees, he got it. Derek understood when the team explained how his presence could distract both parties, and he stayed away'. https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/the-black-hole-plus/las-vegas-raiders-derek-carr-dave-ziegler-tom-brady-josh-mcdaniels-mark-davis https://abc7news.com/sports/raiders-bench-derek-carr;-qb-to-step-away-from-team-avoid-distract/12623691/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Quite possible saints miss playoffs to GB because of the loss to them on tiebreakers, which they were winning 16-0 at half when DC got hurt 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 12 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: 100%. The Jimmy G signing made ZERO sense. Either keep Carr and compete (barf), trade up for and develop a QB (Stroud, Richardson) (should have done this...) or tank and get a QB in the 2024 draft. Signing Jimmy G and trying to win is the type of moves losing organizations make. The 3 options above are all better options by far (with the Carr option being the worst of the three). We should have resigned Stidham and signed Brissett. None would have been huge cap hits or long term deals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, NickButera said: This is categorically false. As has been reported by multiple beat writers around the team after the dust settled. The guaranteed money's for injury loomed large and the whole reason of benching him from any possibility of injury was to protect the team against that money, they couldn't risk playing him and asked him to be away because of team distractions. No other report has even implied that it was Carrs decision. "Carr was the consummate professional. When it was explained to him that they were not making him the scapegoat but that they had to decide to bench him because of the contract and guarantees, he got it. Derek understood when the team explained how his presence could distract both parties, and he stayed away'. https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/the-black-hole-plus/las-vegas-raiders-derek-carr-dave-ziegler-tom-brady-josh-mcdaniels-mark-davis https://abc7news.com/sports/raiders-bench-derek-carr;-qb-to-step-away-from-team-avoid-distract/12623691/ Yes I'm aware Carr was benched and the injury clause. I was here. However, nothing in those articles state he was banned from the sideline. There were many beat writers and articles stating Carr called the Raiders FO after he was benched for the remainder of the season asking he could stay at home with his family. Which sounds exactly like something Carr would do, considering how sensitive the guy has always been. You are the one misinformed here, and think Carr is a wayyyyy nicer guy than he actually is. He's actually a passive aggressive diva and always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 12 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: New team, new coaches, new players and multiple significant injuries to start the year. It takes time to not only gel as a unit but also to get healthy. Those things came together down the stretch. So it takes 13 weeks for a 150 million dollar QB to not play like a bottom 5 QB. Got it. Carr has no doubt put together a hot stretch to end the year, but theres no excuse for how bad he was at times this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 13 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: True.. but you already know what you have in Carr and he's not the guy. Therefore you keep taking the mystery box until you find the guy. This is a playoff team with Carr this season which would generate significant revenue for the franchise and would also bode well for us going into free agency as it would give players/ agents a signal this franchise may be busting out of their losing ways.... A playoff team with no hope of winning the SB is much better than the purgatory we are stuck in with no real direction or answer at QB moving forward. This scenario was my biggest fear when moving on from Carr with no plan in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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