jrry32 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Destructo Spin said: The only argument those numbers make is that Mike Thomas belongs in the discussion with those receivers, unless you somehow think that 9.64 = tier 1 but 9.55 does not. What's the cutoff in your eyes? Whatever you want it to be to try and exclude him. So 9.63? LOL You clearly don't understand the argument. Thomas doesn't have the bulk stats. That means he needs to make it up with efficiency. He fails to do that. Thus, he's not a Tier 1 WR. Tyreek Hill and Mike Evans have better arguments for being Tier 1 than Thomas does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I understand the argument just fine. But the argument is stupid. "Thomas doesn't have the bulk stats" is a complete nonsense statement when he had ******* 125 catches and 1400 yards. Saying that he "fails to do that" ignores that he is ****** .09% of a yard short of "doing that" as compared to Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Destructo Spin said: I understand the argument just fine. But the argument is stupid. "Thomas doesn't have the bulk stats" is a complete nonsense statement when he had ******* 125 catches and 1400 yards. Should we consider Kamara a top tier WR then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Destructo Spin said: I understand the argument just fine. But the argument is stupid. "Thomas doesn't have the bulk stats" is a complete nonsense statement when he had ******* 125 catches and 1400 yards. Cool. That's not good enough. Juju had 111 catches and 1400+ yards. He's not in Tier 1 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, JustAnotherFan said: Should we consider Kamara a top tier WR then? Did Kamara have 125 catches and 1400 yards and the highest catch percentage in NFL history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Cool. That's not good enough. Juju had 111 catches and 1400+ yards. He's not in Tier 1 either. I'd argue that he should be, if we're only looking at this season. No matter how you slice it those are very high-end WR numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Destructo Spin said: Did Kamara have 125 catches and 1400 yards and the highest catch percentage in NFL history? My point is, you are stuck on this catch % without realizing that those numbers are greatly inflated by the fact that he plays closer to the LOS than most WR's do. Just like a RB does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Destructo Spin said: I'd argue that he should be, if we're only looking at this season. No matter how you slice it those are very high-end WR numbers. If we're only looking at one season, so should T.Y. Hilton, Keenan Allen, Davante Adams, Adam Thielen, etc. You don't look at only one season. And if you do, you better have some damn special numbers. Thomas doesn't. Juju isn't Tier 1. Neither is Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, JustAnotherFan said: My point is, you are stuck on this catch % without realizing that those numbers are greatly inflated by the fact that he plays closer to the LOS than most WR's do. Just like a RB does. I'm not "stuck" on anything, but if it were true that simply playing close to the LOS ensured massive numbers of receptions, then how come Kamara and Ingram combined didn't catch more passes than Thomas in a system that is extremely friendly to WR catches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Destructo Spin said: I'm not "stuck" on anything, but if it were true that simply playing close to the LOS ensured massive numbers of receptions, then how come Kamara and Ingram combined didn't catch more passes than Thomas in a system that is extremely friendly to WR catches? Because Thomas is playing in more space and against 190 pound corners instead of 250 lb linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrry32 said: If we're only looking at one season, so should T.Y. Hilton, Keenan Allen, Davante Adams, Adam Thielen, etc. You don't look at only one season. And if you do, you better have some damn special numbers. Thomas doesn't. Juju isn't Tier 1. Neither is Thomas. Again, I don't care about "tiers." I also don't care if you include Mike Thomas in your "tier" or not. The only thing I'm saying is, it's a logical fallacy to say he doesn't belong because of this one thing that he doesn't do, when he does other things that the people that get to be in your "tier" do not do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Cool fact. Thomas' yards per catch was 11.2. The league average catch rate for pass attempts anywhere 1-10 yards this season had a 73.4% catch rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, JustAnotherFan said: Because Thomas is playing in more space and against 190 pound corners instead of 250 lb linebackers. But corners cover better than linebackers, so it should be easier for RBs to make those catches, since they're closer to the LOS AND being covered by inferior coverage players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, JustAnotherFan said: Cool fact. Thomas' yards per catch was 11.2. The league average catch rate for pass attempts anywhere 1-10 yards this season had a 73.4% catch rate. So what was the league average catch rate for pass attempts around 11 yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Destructo Spin said: Again, I don't care about "tiers." I also don't care if you include Mike Thomas in your "tier" or not. The only thing I'm saying is, it's a logical fallacy to say he doesn't belong because of this one thing that he doesn't do, when he does other things that the people that get to be in your "tier" do not do. Which is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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