DoleINGout Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: Definitely overpaid Overpaid because he is winner and because he was one of the last fits available on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: Donovan Mitchell shot 32% from the field and 25% from 3 this past playoffs. 16 assists to 21 turnovers, had a -6 BPM, an 82 ORTG. Yet, I've had to read you hype him up as the best young star in the league the past 30 pages. Does Mitchell get the benefit of being the 5th best player on the court? Or was he carrying a bad offensive team? Also Danny Green being useless has nothing to do with Mitchell. Edited July 10, 2019 by NYRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Does Mitchell get the benefit of being the 5th best player on the court? Or was he carrying a bad offensive team? LOL I don't think I've ever seen such a hard backpedal. If you wanna be viewed amongst the best you gotta play well amongst the best. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Danger said: LOL I don't think I've ever seen such a hard backpedal. If you wanna be viewed amongst the best you gotta play well amongst the best. AD and LeBron couldn’t even make the playoffs with limited offensive help last year. So based on this logic they both suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: AD and LeBron couldn’t even make the playoffs with limited offensive help last year. So based on this logic they both suck? Right along side Mitchell I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, MookieMonstah said: Morris will make more money doing this, it’s a smart move by him. He actually isn't guaranteed to make more money; he will be making $5 million less. My point to you was that who is to say after a two-year stint with the Spurs that Morris won't get an offer then that eclipses whatever you expect him to make next year? At least with the Spurs Morris is guaranteed to make more with two years of security versus just one over the age of thirty. Anyone who plays on the Spurs/for Popovich is likely doing themself a favor financially in the long-run because those players are well-rounded, used to tough coaching, experienced within a program that boasts a winning culture, and selflessness is a characteristic that translates no matter what team you're on so that is a major commodity thus a highly valuable asset on the free agent/trade market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NYRaider said: AD and LeBron couldn’t even make the playoffs with limited offensive help last year. So based on this logic they both suck? Neither of them really played for half the year and mailed it in. Lakers franchise was the definition of dysfunctional. But lets compare playoffs numbers of LeBron to Donovan Mitchell. Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Career NBA 16 16 37.8 8.6 22.2 .389 2.3 7.7 .293 6.4 14.5 .440 .439 3.9 4.8 .829 1.0 4.6 5.6 3.9 1.5 0.3 3.3 3.1 23.4 2017-18 21 UTA NBA SG 11 11 37.4 9.3 22.1 .420 2.3 7.3 .313 7.0 14.8 .472 .471 3.5 3.9 .907 0.8 5.1 5.9 4.2 1.5 0.4 2.9 3.2 24.4 2018-19 22 UTA NBA SG 5 5 38.6 7.2 22.4 .321 2.2 8.6 .256 5.0 13.8 .362 .371 4.8 6.6 .727 1.4 3.6 5.0 3.2 1.6 0.2 4.2 3.0 21.4 Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Career NBA 239 239 42.0 10.3 20.9 .491 1.5 4.7 .332 8.7 16.3 .537 .528 6.8 9.2 .743 1.5 7.3 8.9 7.1 1.8 1.0 3.6 2.4 28.9 2005-06 21 CLE NBA SF 13 13 46.5 11.2 23.6 .476 1.6 4.8 .333 9.6 18.8 .512 .510 6.7 9.1 .737 1.7 6.4 8.1 5.8 1.4 0.7 5.0 3.4 30.8 2006-07 22 CLE NBA SF 20 20 44.7 8.3 20.0 .416 1.1 3.8 .280 7.3 16.2 .448 .442 7.4 9.8 .755 1.3 6.8 8.1 8.0 1.7 0.5 3.3 2.0 25.1 2007-08 23 CLE NBA SF 13 13 42.5 8.7 21.2 .411 1.4 5.4 .257 7.3 15.8 .463 .444 9.4 12.8 .731 1.2 6.6 7.8 7.6 1.8 1.3 4.2 2.5 28.2 2008-09 24 CLE NBA SF 14 14 41.4 11.4 22.3 .510 1.9 5.8 .333 9.4 16.5 .571 .553 10.6 14.2 .749 1.4 7.8 9.1 7.3 1.6 0.9 2.7 2.1 35.3 2009-10 25 CLE NBA SF 11 11 41.8 9.6 19.2 .502 1.8 4.5 .400 7.8 14.6 .534 .550 8.0 10.9 .733 1.4 7.9 9.3 7.6 1.7 1.8 3.8 2.1 29.1 2010-11 26 MIA NBA SF 21 21 43.9 8.3 17.8 .466 1.4 4.0 .353 6.9 13.7 .500 .507 5.7 7.4 .763 1.6 6.8 8.4 5.9 1.7 1.2 3.1 2.7 23.7 2011-12 27 MIA NBA SF 23 23 42.7 10.9 21.8 .500 1.0 3.7 .259 10.0 18.1 .549 .522 7.5 10.2 .739 2.3 7.4 9.7 5.6 1.9 0.7 3.5 2.0 30.3 2012-13 28 MIA NBA PF 23 23 41.7 9.2 18.8 .491 1.6 4.2 .375 7.7 14.6 .524 .532 5.9 7.6 .777 1.6 6.8 8.4 6.6 1.8 0.8 3.0 1.9 25.9 2013-14 29 MIA NBA PF 20 20 38.2 9.6 17.0 .565 1.8 4.3 .407 7.9 12.7 .618 .616 6.5 8.0 .806 0.7 6.4 7.1 4.8 1.8 0.6 3.1 2.3 27.4 2014-15 30 CLE NBA SF 20 20 42.2 11.4 27.2 .417 1.3 5.5 .227 10.1 21.7 .465 .440 6.1 8.4 .731 1.9 9.5 11.3 8.5 1.7 1.1 4.1 2.9 30.1 2015-16 31 CLE NBA SF 21 21 39.1 10.4 19.9 .525 1.5 4.5 .340 8.9 15.4 .579 .564 3.9 5.9 .661 2.0 7.5 9.5 7.6 2.3 1.3 3.6 2.6 26.3 2016-17 32 CLE NBA SF 18 18 41.3 12.1 21.3 .565 2.4 5.9 .411 9.6 15.4 .625 .622 6.3 9.0 .698 1.1 8.1 9.1 7.8 1.9 1.3 4.0 2.4 32.8 2017-18 33 CLE NBA PF 22 22 41.9 12.5 23.2 .539 1.8 5.2 .342 10.7 18.0 .596 .577 7.2 9.7 .746 1.4 7.7 9.1 9.0 1.4 1.0 4.3 2.4 34.0 Fewer Shots, Substantially better shooting. Better 3 point shooting. More Rebounds, Points, assists, steals, and blocks. Though Mitchell has him on FT% and turnovers by a narrow margin. Mitchell has shrunk hard when the playoffs have come around. Edited July 10, 2019 by Danger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, MookieMonstah said: He got paid because he’s a perfect fit with Lebron and AD. Not so much a case of the "perfect fit" as much as it was the Lakers being desperate and Green having, again, championship pedigree earned him extra cash that any other player at his position otherwise wouldn't receive. Case and point, Morris doesn't have that pedigree yet but could if he honored his word to the Spurs and grew under Pops tutelage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Danger said: Mitchell has shrunk hard when the playoffs have come around. 2018 series against the Thunder. Mitchell: 28.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.7 apg on .462 FG | .365 3FG | .920 FT PG13: 24.7 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 2.7 apg on .408 FG | .365 3FG | .861 FT So based on FF logic, PG13 must be terrible because he got severely outplayed by a rookie Donavan Mitchell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: 2018 series against the Thunder. Mitchell: 28.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.7 apg on .462 FG | .365 3FG | .920 FT PG13: 24.7 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 2.7 apg on .408 FG | .365 3FG | .861 FT So based on FF logic, PG13 must be terrible because he got severely outplayed by a rookie Donavan Mitchell... Here you go again with your cherry picked stats and strawman arguments. Way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Danger said: Here you go again with your cherry picked stats and strawman arguments. Way to go. 39 minutes ago, Danger said: If you wanna be viewed amongst the best you gotta play well amongst the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49er pride Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) Edit nvm dont wanna start this again LOL Edit nvm @MookieMonstah already started it Edited July 10, 2019 by 49er pride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: I've already shown my point. Keep cherry picking statistics to fit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Ducks Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Bruh, dude trolls so good, he has us defending the Lakers and their front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Danger said: I've already shown my point. Keep cherry picking statistics to fit your narrative. You said if you want to be viewed amongst the best you gotta play well amongst the best. In the 2018 playoffs, Mitchell outplayed the defending MVP and PG13 who went on to be top 3 in MVP and DPOY in 2019. So he outplayed two MVP level players in the playoffs as a rookie. It's not cherry picking. You said that Mitchell shrinks in the playoffs. Did he shrink in the first round against the Thunder in 2018? No. Edited July 10, 2019 by NYRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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