RSkinGM Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 This guy is a pro ! I can't say that enough . He can teach those kids how to be a pro. He'll go over the middle, he'll block his tush off for the running backs . I know he's not what he was ( 33 in Aug ) . No I'm not sure-could be a mistake . I just think we should thoroughly vet him and make the right call. I think he can be an asset . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 6/17/2019 at 11:44 AM, RSkinGM said: Robert Davis, Dockson, Richardson, Kelvin Harmon,. McLaurin, Quinn, Cam Sims and Darvin Kidsy . 8 Guys, we'll carry 6 or 7 maybe . IF ,, he's 100% healthy-and the price is right, I'd take Garcon' over the bottom two - Probably Kidsy and Davis. They can be P S fillers . But if you add Garçon, then you have 9 guys. And given that they’ll probably keep 6 WRs, that means you’ll have to keep him over the bottom three — which probably means you’d have to cut one of Sims or Harmon in order to keep him. I wouldn’t sacrifice the potential and youth of either of those two (Sims at age 23 and Harmon at age 22) for Garçon’s veteranosity, even though I’ve always been a big fan of his. McLaurin obviously will make the team, and Quinn is really the only slot guy. Richardson likely won’t go anywhere because of his contract. I guess you could argue they could cut Doctson, but I’m still not 100% ready to throw in the towel on him. I just don’t see the room on the roster. I like the guy — but we are trying to find some diamonds in the rough in this WR group, and we need to keep as many lottery tickets as we can hoard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, e16bball said: But if you add Garçon, then you have 9 guys. And given that they’ll probably keep 6 WRs, that means you’ll have to keep him over the bottom three — which probably means you’d have to cut one of Sims or Harmon in order to keep him. I wouldn’t sacrifice the potential and youth of either of those two (Sims at age 23 and Harmon at age 22) for Garçon’s veteranosity, even though I’ve always been a big fan of his. McLaurin obviously will make the team, and Quinn is really the only slot guy. Richardson likely won’t go anywhere because of his contract. I guess you could argue they could cut Doctson, but I’m still not 100% ready to throw in the towel on him. I just don’t see the room on the roster. I like the guy — but we are trying to find some diamonds in the rough in this WR group, and we need to keep as many lottery tickets as we can hoard. Agreed. Plus he'd probably be a bottom of the depth chart WR at this point in his career, and we need those guys playing special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Good thing we don't throw very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Should have re-signed Djax or Garçon in 2017 - if we had maybe we win a few more games in 2017, make the playoffs and re-sign Kirk - but at this point I’m with E, gotta role with the young guys. This is a “let’s see what we have in these young guys!” Kinda year! All the way from the starter Doctson down to the possibly practice squader again... Robert Davis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 On 6/25/2019 at 9:50 PM, turtle28 said: Should have re-signed Djax or Garçon in 2017 Given the results of the two teams that signed both of those guys at the prices they did (and then let them both go before their contracts were done), I think this might not be accurate. Would it have helped Washington? Perhaps. But here it is in late June, and Garcon is still available. That's not a ringing endorsement of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Woz said: Given the results of the two teams that signed both of those guys at the prices they did (and then let them both go before their contracts were done), I think this might not be accurate. Would it have helped Washington? Perhaps. But here it is in late June, and Garcon is still available. That's not a ringing endorsement of him. No doubt but I think either of them would have been better in DC than in Tampa or San Fran and they had chemistry w/ Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 12 hours ago, turtle28 said: No doubt but I think either of them would have been better in DC than in Tampa or San Fran and they had chemistry w/ Cousins. Better, perhaps. But not at the price they were commanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 15 hours ago, Woz said: Better, perhaps. But not at the price they were commanding. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/pierre-garcon-5014/cash-earnings/ Am reading this right that Garcon’s caphit was 7.9 million in 2017? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/29/2019 at 2:41 AM, turtle28 said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/pierre-garcon-5014/cash-earnings/ Am reading this right that Garcon’s caphit was 7.9 million in 2017? Yes. The 49ers front loaded the heck out of his deal a) to sign him and b) in case they wanted to get out later for cheap. They had some money to burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/29/2019 at 2:41 AM, turtle28 said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/pierre-garcon-5014/cash-earnings/ Am reading this right that Garcon’s caphit was 7.9 million in 2017? No. That page shows when monies were paid. When Garcon signed the contract, the 49ers owed him $12M. For accounting purposes it was amortized over the life of the contract (5 years). https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/3/10/14881166/pierre-garcon-contract-details-49ers-wrs-5-year-deal Quote 2017 cap hit: $6.425 million Base Salary: $3.625 millionProrated Signing Bonus: $2.4 millionPer Game Roster Bonus: $250,000Workout Bonus: $100,000 2018 cap hit: $9.375 million Base Salary: $6.625 millionProrated Signing Bonus: $2.4 millionPer Game Roster Bonus: $250,000Workout Bonus: $100,000 2019 cap hit: $8.4 million Base Salary: $5.65 millionProrated Signing Bonus: $2.4 millionPer Game Roster Bonus: $250,000Workout Bonus: $100,000 2020 cap hit: $11.3 million Base Salary: $8.55 millionProrated Signing Bonus: $2.4 millionPer Game Roster Bonus: $250,000Workout Bonus: $100,000 2021 cap hit: $12 million Base Salary: $9.25 millionProrated Signing Bonus: $2.4 millionPer Game Roster Bonus: $250,000Workout Bonus: $100,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 18 hours ago, Woz said: No. That page shows when monies were paid. When Garcon signed the contract, the 49ers owed him $12M. For accounting purposes it was amortized over the life of the contract (5 years). https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/3/10/14881166/pierre-garcon-contract-details-49ers-wrs-5-year-deal Damn, that was more affordable than I thought. I understand wanting to give Doctson a chance but they could have moved Garçon back to Flanker like he played for us in 2012 & 13 and started both of them, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RSkinGM Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 We can tag him if he breaks out - don't see coming. He ran a 4.50 40 time. Not a burner but surely not slow ,, but he sure plays S L O W. No separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, RSkinGM said: We can tag him if he breaks out - don't see coming. He ran a 4.50 40 time. Not a burner but surely not slow ,, but he sure plays S L O W. No separation. If he breaks out, congratulate him on his success getting a contract somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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