beekay414 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Williams is the reason why you trade Hader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 We're going to trade him because we won't want to pay his arbitration raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Herbie_Hancock Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 God I hope we don’t dumpster dive again... trade Hader. We won’t keep him. GET value!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/17/2020 at 8:32 AM, beekay414 said: This is at least the 2nd time we've stopped him from interviewing. Not a good look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: This is at least the 2nd time we've stopped him from interviewing. Not a good look. For us, or the teams trying to poach him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: For us, or the teams trying to poach him? Us. Baseball front office are composed of young, upper/upper middle class Ivy league kids who want to be a GM and are willing to make minimum wage nearly in the short term to get there. Upward mobility is going to be among the most important factors in whether or not they take a job, and we now have 2 headlines from a high profile employee that say the Brewers won't let you get that next job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Us. Baseball front office are composed of young, upper/upper middle class Ivy league kids who want to be a GM and are willing to make minimum wage nearly in the short term to get there. Upward mobility is going to be among the most important factors in whether or not they take a job, and we now have 2 headlines from a high profile employee that say the Brewers won't let you get that next job. David Stearns is the highest baseball exec in our office, why would we let him leave for a lateral move?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: David Stearns is the highest baseball exec in our office, why would we let him leave for a lateral move?? Lateral move by job title, but almost definitely not a lateral move financially. And it'd be one thing if we announced a new deal for him instead (we still might, it's what we did when we denied the Giants permission, in which case this isn't nearly as big a deal), but if we didn't let him interview and then just keep him around without a new deal, that's different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Lateral move by job title, but almost definitely not a lateral move financially. And it'd be one thing if we announced a new deal for him instead (we still might, it's what we did when we denied the Giants permission, in which case this isn't nearly as big a deal), but if we didn't let him interview and then just keep him around without a new deal, that's different. You're going to be both a player and FO farm system for the big markets if you let them poach your GM because they have a bigger budget. If that scares away young talent who would only want to be here as a stepping stone, good. Protect what's yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, Packerraymond said: You're going to be both a player and FO farm system for the big markets if you let them poach your GM because they have a bigger budget. If that scares away young talent who would only want to be here as a stepping stone, good. Protect what's yours. Fair enough. I think long term this hurts our ability to be competitive for the best entry level front office, but there's room for disagreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Fair enough. I think long term this hurts our ability to be competitive for the best entry level front office, but there's room for disagreement. I guess it's like my same argument with the Badgers coaching, sure you may be capped at Paul Chryst and not a new guy who may be a star, but that guy will leave and you're back to square one. At least with the guy who wants to be there you can build something with longevity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, Packerraymond said: I guess it's like my same argument with the Badgers coaching, sure you may be capped at Paul Chryst and not a new guy who may be a star, but that guy will leave and you're back to square one. At least with the guy who wants to be there you can build something with longevity. It's interesting that you mentioned the Badgers, because I think my stance on this has probably changed in the past 5 years in large part because of the Dave Aranda situation. I thought our defense was a product of him, and originally the changes were, but because he passed enough on, we could let him go and use Wilcox, then Leonard, etc. Now the 3-4 defines us as much as anything besides the OL. I would hope that Stearns has been here long enough people have been able to figure out his thought process, so even after he would leave, his influence would still be all over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 And as we discussed, this had to happen. Also probably keeps Arnold around as well, which is nice given how many times he's been in the running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Tendered Hader and Woodruff as expected. Signed Pineapple, Arcia, Narvaez and big daddy Vogelbach. Non-tendered Gamel, Claudio and Peterson. Traded Knebel to the Dodgers for a PTBNL. Edited December 3, 2020 by beekay414 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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