2019/2020 Offseason

[KingOfNewYork]

Only reason to pay Adams early would be if We eventually had to pay other guys soon and we wanted to get a jump on his extension but we don’t. 

Maye is up next year and will most likely be on a team friendly deal or he walks. 

Lot of money opening up after that with Williamson, Enunwa, Anderson and Johnson all coming off the books. 

Sam doesn’t get paid til 2023 most likely. I doubt he’s tagged since Sexton represents the GM and HC along with Darnold. 

Who else after that is necessary to pay? Fatukasi, Herndon and Maye are the only guys I think we’re looking at future deals for ATM.

[Bobby816]

19 hours ago, jetskid007 said:

Lance Zierlien has *14* receivers with 1st or 2nd round grades. Another 6 with 3rd round grades. Wild stuff

I don’t think any of us are saying there’s no depth to this class. For me it’s just that I see Jeudy and Lamb on a whole other level than that of any of the other WRs. That being said... I want an OT at 11.

 

I’ll continue to bring up the 2014 draft as to how waiting can burn you. We didn’t draft Cooks when we should have in Round 1 that year. Then decided to go TE in Round 2 with Adams, AR15 and Landry still on the board. Still avoided WR in Round 3 with guys like Brown and Moncrief on the board. And then finally decided to double dip in Round 4 and got 2 flops in Saunders and Evans.

 

I know you’re not suggesting we should wait that long... but that’s an example of waiting in a deep class and how it can hurt you.

[xrade]

6 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

I don’t think any of us are saying there’s no depth to this class. For me it’s just that I see Jeudy and Lamb on a whole other level than that of any of the other WRs. That being said... I want an OT at 11.

 

I’ll continue to bring up the 2014 draft as to how waiting can burn you. We didn’t draft Cooks when we should have in Round 1 that year. Then decided to go TE in Round 2 with Adams, AR15 and Landry still on the board. Still avoided WR in Round 3 with guys like Brown and Moncrief on the board. And then finally decided to double dip in Round 4 and got 2 flops in Saunders and Evans.

 

I know you’re not suggesting we should wait that long... but that’s an example of waiting in a deep class and how it can hurt you.

Actually, that is an example of extremely poor scouting and a GM that was clueless.  However, your point is well taken.

[Bobby816]

22 minutes ago, xrade said:

Actually, that is an example of extremely poor scouting and a GM that was clueless.  However, your point is well taken.

I don’t disagree at all. It’s just an example. We actually have no clue how JD is as a GM. Yes he has a great track record and great mentors. But he’s never been the orchestrator. I have confidence he will be good. But that’s really just a guess until there’s GM power evidence to prove otherwise. I mean Macc has a good track record as a scout as well.

[doumeyer]

Now that I am living in Orlando area, I get no Jets news down here either thru the local sports radio stations or the Orlando papers. All my Jets news comes from this forum, and all the people on this board do a great job. A lot of us were on the old board also, I do get all the Jet games on Direct Tv"s Sunday ticket. I just wanted to say I appreciate all the work you people do on scouting all the college players.  

[rickyt31]

On 2/7/2020 at 8:31 PM, Bobby816 said:

We might. But the people for that this offseason I don’t want to hear complain about us not having a great free agent period. Bc we’d be giving 10-15mill to a guy under contract rather than using that money to Upgrade the roster. So I’ll remember who wants him paid now. And bring it back up in a 6 weeks

It depends on your definition of a great free agency. I don't care about making big splashes because we got core guys already and have the picks to add at least 3 starting offensive lineman. Actually, I even laughed at some of the people on here who use to cry about how we need to build through the draft but want everyone fired when we don't sign anyone special in the first 2 days. 

His contract isn't going to stop us from upgrading the roster. Cutting Enunwa, Tru, Winters, Roberts, and Williamson (All of these people have a high chance of getting cut anyway), we'll be at 78M. Even if we give Adams $15M this year, we're still sitting around $63M . If he can't improve the roster with $63M + 4 picks in the top 3 rounds, JD & Gase can go now. we'll have even more room next year. 

So feel free to repost this 6 weeks from now if we resign him. Also if we don't and we're back to crying about culture, leadership, and having no playmakers on defense. 

[JetsandI]

1 hour ago, rickyt31 said:

It depends on your definition of a great free agency. I don't care about making big splashes because we got core guys already and have the picks to add at least 3 starting offensive lineman. Actually, I even laughed at some of the people on here who use to cry about how we need to build through the draft but want everyone fired when we don't sign anyone special in the first 2 days. 

His contract isn't going to stop us from upgrading the roster. Cutting Enunwa, Tru, Winters, Roberts, and Williamson (All of these people have a high chance of getting cut anyway), we'll be at 78M. Even if we give Adams $15M this year, we're still sitting around $63M . If he can't improve the roster with $63M + 4 picks in the top 3 rounds, JD & Gase can go now. we'll have even more room next year. 

So feel free to repost this 6 weeks from now if we resign him. Also if we don't and we're back to crying about culture, leadership, and having no playmakers on defense. 

 

Jamal Adams is big supporter for strong FA acquisition. I can see Adams start to demand new contract ASAP if this off season comes up lighter or empty.  However, the most important thing to secure Adams ASAP is to avoid silly money distraction when you try to improve the team within 3 years.  Adams is a typical player who fixates on the goal to reach the hall of fame status, meaning he won't be getting lazy once he gets big money like most players do so Jets should have no problem with paying him any time.

 

I don't think Jets will cut Little Q because I believe Jets won't do the "Hey, kid this WR spot is yours to lose" approach.  Go with vet to start the season and let kids climb up in the chart naturally.   I believe Jets already have insurance for Little Q so cutting, putting on IR or playing part time won't make any difference on team salary cap.

 

 

 

[JetsandI]

2 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

I don’t disagree at all. It’s just an example. We actually have no clue how JD is as a GM. Yes he has a great track record and great mentors. But he’s never been the orchestrator. I have confidence he will be good. But that’s really just a guess until there’s GM power evidence to prove otherwise. I mean Macc has a good track record as a scout as well.

I still believe JD is a Yes, sir dude. I don't care for that because I don't want to see other GM playing a sabotage game on HC.  Handling contracts will be big test for JD, though.

[jetskid007]

Some juicy free agency takes from yesterday, for what they are worth... 

One of my friends works for CAA, is getting ready to spend a month on the road so we caught up and watched the XFL yesterday. He knows so little about football, which is ironic I know, but he works as a marketing consultant and serves as a resource to their agents. I leave it up to myself to connect the dots on stuff that he isn't privy to. He creates their promotional materials specifically tailored to certain players who they're trying to lure, so the combine is a big event for him every year. It's funny - he and my cousin grew up on the same street (a few years apart), but it's one of the few times they get together each year since she lives in Miami now and we all have crazy lives (good news is I'll have plenty of info to report on Feb 27 when I've finished my exam). He'll be working out of the LA office prior to the combine, then spends the week in Indy, and returns to LA for a few weeks before returning back to NY. Last year he correctly tipped me on Bell (which in all fairness was obvious), Crowder, and Edoga/Hardman as draft targets. He incorrectly tipped me on Paradis (which we have now learned Gase wanted but Maccagnan wouldn't budge). 

Anyway, here's what he has said: 

• EDGE Vic Beasley and WR Breshad Perriman are names often being linked with the Jets among those in the agency field. The Eagles are heavily linked to Perriman as well, and the Bucs are going to do what they can to keep him. Beasley is rumored to be "likely" an option for either of the New York teams.   
• My take on Perriman: The Perriman connection is obvious: we have a lot of former Baltimore people in our front office, and the need for a deep threat receiver will arise once Robby gets paid (rumor has it he will get what Sammy Watkins got from KC, which is clearly out of our range). Perriman is going to have a heavy market as the "Robby Anderson-alt" for a number of teams.
• My take on Beasley: Beasley's agent is part of Sexton's group that put together Gase/Douglas/Darnold over at CAA, which we predicted, but I think adding Beasley would be the cost-conscious alternative to what we had hoped for in Barr last year. Beasley's issue has always been that he's not an instinctual football player. He was a situational DE as a rookie and he played in a dual role in his 2nd year, but his stats were fluky. He doesn't have the size or play strength to hold up at DE, but he doesn't have the processing ability and fundamentals to play LB in Quinn's defense. He needs to be in a scheme that allows him to think less and attack more, whether it be situationally and every down, in a position where he's not constantly worn down by going up against the RT out of a 3-point stance on a run down. Best chance for him to be effective is back at SLB on early downs (if at all) and at the EDGE on rush downs.  

 

• Almost unanimous they will push hard for LG Thuney, RG Scherff, G/C Glasgow, as many of us have predicted. Many feel Conklin will end up back in Tennessee, but there is some noise that the Vikings could go after him. Scherff to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Chicago, or Tennessee(!) all sound like they have legs in the community. Both Conklin and Scherff are going to cast very, very, very wide nets among the NFL if they reach the open market, so it's very hard to predict where they'll land, whereas its sounding like Thuney will become the highest paid G in the NFL and remain in the AFC East either with the Jets or Dolphins.  
• My take: We've been speaking about this for a long time and we have connected Thuney/Scherff/Glasgow nauseam, but the clarity seems to be that the Jets will be throwing money at Thuney or Scherff. My guess is the Jets and Miami will be competing head-to-head for Thuney, and he'll remain in the AFC East. They have more than we do, but our advantage is that we're looking to come away with one premium player whereas they're spending their time courting several. I'm less confident on Scherff now than I was yesterday. Cleveland is in a similar situation that we are and they need both FAs and draft picks, and they hired Callahan. I guess Tennessee would consider him if they lost Conklin? Otherwise it appears he'll be on the radar of teams league-wide, and money may not be the top factor in his decision. I feel like the only scenario we were to get him is by blowing up the market and making him the highest paid G in the NFL. Hearing Conklin linked to MIN is another interesting one. The rumor is that Reiff could be getting cut, and my guess is they would move on from Reiff and consider shifting O'Neill to LT? Although they're not supposed to, teams often will try to figure out who they can get on the open market before releasing their own, and this kind of swap would make sense for them as they continue their quest for a Super Bowl run... just no idea how they would make it work from a financial perspective. Bares watching. 

 

• One player I would look out for - and possibly on a bigger contract then expected - is CB Trae Waynes. The Jets are rumored to be a team that will go after him. 
• My take: This is something new. If he were signed, he'd most certainly become a #1/2 perimeter corner for us, and the second spot would be up for grabs (likely between the guys we have now + Canady assuming he resigns + a draft pick).  I’m hoping we can bring back Pool, but have to acknowledge that there exists a scenario where he walks. All indications have been that the Jets want him back, but may be a take-it or leave-it situation... Pool can only play in the slot, which limits his value, and we have personnel that can compete in the slot (Hairston, Maulet) plus it is a position the Jets can  and if Poole were to walk they’d likely bring in another 1 year prove-it guy like Anthony Brown, who was rumored to be included in a trade offer for Jamal Adams. 

 

 

Biggest takeaways: 

• I'm thinking the Jets will land LG Joe Thuney. We will have to spend a lot for him, but the Jets will deem it worth it. Our primary issue last year was injuries, and we're talking about a guy who has missed a handful in his entire career. Couple that with his skill set, and the fact that we'd be taking away from a division rival... all makes sense. Only team likely stopping us is Miami, so hopefully it Gase has extra motivation to stick-it to them when preparing his pitch. 
• I'm maintaining my stance that G/C Graham Glasgow will be a Jet. So much flexibility with him and he's a very good player. When you need to fill 4-out-of-5 spots, you want to acquire the best guys, and adding him allows the Jets to enter the draft with an open mind, especially in Day 2 and 3. For example, if Douglas has a guy on his board that he believes is a sure-fire day 1 starter at G or C, and he's sitting there at 68 or 79, it makes his decision that much easier knowing he can find a spot for him on the starting lineup, whereas if you have a guy that can only play C or only play RG, options become limited. 
• CB Trae Waynes sounds real, but it may only be if the money is right. I can't see all that money going into the OL, then re-signing Poole AND signing Waynes. It would be great to see them both signed; I can get on board with a Waynes-Austin-Poole combo real quick. 
• EDGE Vic Beasley sounds real too, but I think the Jets will do their due diligence and aim higher first. Pairing him with Jenkins and a draft pick would be solid. I still won't rule out a trade for Leonard Floyd, and I think the Jets will go down that avenue first, but Beasley would be the most cost efficient option without having to give up assets. 
• Fans are going to be upset with how we address WR. I don't think we'll land Perriman because the market will be big, and that likely means we'll end up with guys who are more of 3rd/4th options. WRs Devin Funchess and Tajae Sharpe are guys who I think the Jets will consider, while filling out the rest of the receiver group in the draft. 

[Bobby816]

1 hour ago, jetskid007 said:

Some juicy free agency takes from yesterday, for what they are worth... 

One of my friends works for CAA, is getting ready to spend a month on the road so we caught up and watched the XFL yesterday. He knows so little about football, which is ironic I know, but he works as a marketing consultant and serves as a resource to their agents. I leave it up to myself to connect the dots on stuff that he isn't privy to. He creates their promotional materials specifically tailored to certain players who they're trying to lure, so the combine is a big event for him every year. It's funny - he and my cousin grew up on the same street (a few years apart), but it's one of the few times they get together each year since she lives in Miami now and we all have crazy lives (good news is I'll have plenty of info to report on Feb 27 when I've finished my exam). He'll be working out of the LA office prior to the combine, then spends the week in Indy, and returns to LA for a few weeks before returning back to NY. Last year he correctly tipped me on Bell (which in all fairness was obvious), Crowder, and Edoga/Hardman as draft targets. He incorrectly tipped me on Paradis (which we have now learned Gase wanted but Maccagnan wouldn't budge). 

Anyway, here's what he has said: 

• EDGE Vic Beasley and WR Breshad Perriman are names often being linked with the Jets among those in the agency field. The Eagles are heavily linked to Perriman as well, and the Bucs are going to do what they can to keep him. Beasley is rumored to be "likely" an option for either of the New York teams.   
• My take on Perriman: The Perriman connection is obvious: we have a lot of former Baltimore people in our front office, and the need for a deep threat receiver will arise once Robby gets paid (rumor has it he will get what Sammy Watkins got from KC, which is clearly out of our range). Perriman is going to have a heavy market as the "Robby Anderson-alt" for a number of teams.
• My take on Beasley: Beasley's agent is part of Sexton's group that put together Gase/Douglas/Darnold over at CAA, which we predicted, but I think adding Beasley would be the cost-conscious alternative to what we had hoped for in Barr last year. Beasley's issue has always been that he's not an instinctual football player. He was a situational DE as a rookie and he played in a dual role in his 2nd year, but his stats were fluky. He doesn't have the size or play strength to hold up at DE, but he doesn't have the processing ability and fundamentals to play LB in Quinn's defense. He needs to be in a scheme that allows him to think less and attack more, whether it be situationally and every down, in a position where he's not constantly worn down by going up against the RT out of a 3-point stance on a run down. Best chance for him to be effective is back at SLB on early downs (if at all) and at the EDGE on rush downs.  

 

• Almost unanimous they will push hard for LG Thuney, RG Scherff, G/C Glasgow, as many of us have predicted. Many feel Conklin will end up back in Tennessee, but there is some noise that the Vikings could go after him. Scherff to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Chicago, or Tennessee(!) all sound like they have legs in the community. Both Conklin and Scherff are going to cast very, very, very wide nets among the NFL if they reach the open market, so it's very hard to predict where they'll land, whereas its sounding like Thuney will become the highest paid G in the NFL and remain in the AFC East either with the Jets or Dolphins.  
• My take: We've been speaking about this for a long time and we have connected Thuney/Scherff/Glasgow nauseam, but the clarity seems to be that the Jets will be throwing money at Thuney or Scherff. My guess is the Jets and Miami will be competing head-to-head for Thuney, and he'll remain in the AFC East. They have more than we do, but our advantage is that we're looking to come away with one premium player whereas they're spending their time courting several. I'm less confident on Scherff now than I was yesterday. Cleveland is in a similar situation that we are and they need both FAs and draft picks, and they hired Callahan. I guess Tennessee would consider him if they lost Conklin? Otherwise it appears he'll be on the radar of teams league-wide, and money may not be the top factor in his decision. I feel like the only scenario we were to get him is by blowing up the market and making him the highest paid G in the NFL. Hearing Conklin linked to MIN is another interesting one. The rumor is that Reiff could be getting cut, and my guess is they would move on from Reiff and consider shifting O'Neill to LT? Although they're not supposed to, teams often will try to figure out who they can get on the open market before releasing their own, and this kind of swap would make sense for them as they continue their quest for a Super Bowl run... just no idea how they would make it work from a financial perspective. Bares watching. 

 

• One player I would look out for - and possibly on a bigger contract then expected - is CB Trae Waynes. The Jets are rumored to be a team that will go after him. 
• My take: This is something new. If he were signed, he'd most certainly become a #1/2 perimeter corner for us, and the second spot would be up for grabs (likely between the guys we have now + Canady assuming he resigns + a draft pick).  I’m hoping we can bring back Pool, but have to acknowledge that there exists a scenario where he walks. All indications have been that the Jets want him back, but may be a take-it or leave-it situation... Pool can only play in the slot, which limits his value, and we have personnel that can compete in the slot (Hairston, Maulet) plus it is a position the Jets can  and if Poole were to walk they’d likely bring in another 1 year prove-it guy like Anthony Brown, who was rumored to be included in a trade offer for Jamal Adams. 

 

 

Biggest takeaways: 

• I'm thinking the Jets will land LG Joe Thuney. We will have to spend a lot for him, but the Jets will deem it worth it. Our primary issue last year was injuries, and we're talking about a guy who has missed a handful in his entire career. Couple that with his skill set, and the fact that we'd be taking away from a division rival... all makes sense. Only team likely stopping us is Miami, so hopefully it Gase has extra motivation to stick-it to them when preparing his pitch. 
• I'm maintaining my stance that G/C Graham Glasgow will be a Jet. So much flexibility with him and he's a very good player. When you need to fill 4-out-of-5 spots, you want to acquire the best guys, and adding him allows the Jets to enter the draft with an open mind, especially in Day 2 and 3. For example, if Douglas has a guy on his board that he believes is a sure-fire day 1 starter at G or C, and he's sitting there at 68 or 79, it makes his decision that much easier knowing he can find a spot for him on the starting lineup, whereas if you have a guy that can only play C or only play RG, options become limited. 
• CB Trae Waynes sounds real, but it may only be if the money is right. I can't see all that money going into the OL, then re-signing Poole AND signing Waynes. It would be great to see them both signed; I can get on board with a Waynes-Austin-Poole combo real quick. 
• EDGE Vic Beasley sounds real too, but I think the Jets will do their due diligence and aim higher first. Pairing him with Jenkins and a draft pick would be solid. I still won't rule out a trade for Leonard Floyd, and I think the Jets will go down that avenue first, but Beasley would be the most cost efficient option without having to give up assets. 
• Fans are going to be upset with how we address WR. I don't think we'll land Perriman because the market will be big, and that likely means we'll end up with guys who are more of 3rd/4th options. WRs Devin Funchess and Tajae Sharpe are guys who I think the Jets will consider, while filling out the rest of the receiver group in the draft. 

Good stuff. Thanks for the info.

 

Im all for adding Beasley. Loved him in the draft and I think he just needs to right coaching and players around him to be a 10+ sack guy most years. Trae Waynes I like too. I actually grade he and Darby similar and I’ve mocked Darby to us a lot. So for me this is in essence the same. Would love to grab one of Thuney or Scherff obviously and I think we for sure get Glasgow. I think he just won’t be as cheap as we think. But that’s 2 big upgrades on the OL. I’ve mocked Perriman to us a bunch too. For me he’s a cheaper version of Robby. So I thought he’d make sense. If his price sky rockets than im ok with dropping out on him. That being said... I think we’d have big uphill battle at WR if we don’t get someone better than Sharpe or Funchess in FA and plan on going OT at 11. Cant rely on 2 mid round rookies and guys who have done very little in their career to help Sam out.

[Bobby816]

4 hours ago, rickyt31 said:

It depends on your definition of a great free agency. I don't care about making big splashes because we got core guys already and have the picks to add at least 3 starting offensive lineman. Actually, I even laughed at some of the people on here who use to cry about how we need to build through the draft but want everyone fired when we don't sign anyone special in the first 2 days. 

His contract isn't going to stop us from upgrading the roster. Cutting Enunwa, Tru, Winters, Roberts, and Williamson (All of these people have a high chance of getting cut anyway), we'll be at 78M. Even if we give Adams $15M this year, we're still sitting around $63M . If he can't improve the roster with $63M + 4 picks in the top 3 rounds, JD & Gase can go now. we'll have even more room next year. 

So feel free to repost this 6 weeks from now if we resign him. Also if we don't and we're back to crying about culture, leadership, and having no playmakers on defense. 

Once we pay our own we don’t have a ton of money like previous years. If we want to pay him after we make our free agent signings and miss on some bigs names, so be it. But I think it’d be idiotic to pay him before FA and be cap tied bc we paid our own a whole year too early.

[jetskid007]

44 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

That being said... I think we’d have big uphill battle at WR if we don’t get someone better than Sharpe or Funchess in FA and plan on going OT at 11. Cant rely on 2 mid round rookies and guys who have done very little in their career to help Sam out.

I think the Jets will spin it by relying on Herndon’s return, but I also have a feeling they’re going to go back-to-back in R2 and R3. May result in passing game hiccups for 2020, but I expect Darnold to progress nicely next year and take the major leap in 2021 (his age 24 season)

[Bobby816]

7 minutes ago, jetskid007 said:

I think the Jets will spin it by relying on Herndon’s return, but I also have a feeling they’re going to go back-to-back in R2 and R3. May result in passing game hiccups for 2020, but I expect Darnold to progress nicely next year and take the major leap in 2021 (his age 24 season)

Ya I see your point... I just think at this stage Herndon is quite overrated. His sample size is small. It’s not like Herndon and Griffin are Gronk and the murder. I’ll have to see who we’d grab in those mid rounds to really judge.

[JetsandI]

2 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

Ya I see your point... I just think at this stage Herndon is quite overrated. His sample size is small. It’s not like Herndon and Griffin are Gronk and the murder. I’ll have to see who we’d grab in those mid rounds to really judge.

Hunter Bryant?

 

Gronk was a god damn unique player.  Don't waste our time trying to emulate Gronk for Jets. lol.

[JetsandI]

Whom do you think Jets can sign for right price, Bud Dupree or Dante Flower Jr?   Both have good run stoppers with hot sack number of last year.   Yannick Ngakoue and Jadeveon Clowney have to play at the same spot to be a complete pass rusher.  50m for that?  Yuck!    Surely Ngakoue edges over Clowney due to health and true sack artist, but Jets ain't going to shell out big money just to play him for half of seasonal snaps.

Vic Beasley can be our situational pass rusher for 1/3 price of above average edge but I rather to have pass rusher that is good for 3 years under contract.

 

JPP and Robert Quinn can help Jets for at least 2 years.  Granted, they are aging but both have experience and played fine in both common version of defensive schemes.

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by JetsandI